Author Topic: I attempt manga again :o  (Read 6670 times)

Seeing your response to my critique and stuff shows that you definitely are immature. Yep, you act just like most kids do. When they see anything but praise, they immediately throw it off and get mad at it, instead of looking at the whole picture. If you want to refuse to become a better artist by trying to draw only imagined things and never understand what things really should look like, be my guest. You'll never improve though, and you'll always be getting proportions wrong. YES I know manga, can have large eyes. However, if they are too big and the rest doesn't counter it somehow, then it looks wrong. Mostly its the hair being too thin on the scalp. You can go ahead and deny this as well if you wish, I just know you will.

Also I never anywhere in my post said "you suck" at anything. This also proves you are just a kid, not understanding the world, and thus you are trying to place words in my mouth, because you can't handle the honest truth. If you want to continue down the wrong path, go right ahead, you'll never improve if you don't have a good foundation to base your stuff on. I never said you had to copy copy copy and never imagine things. I said you must first understand the real world and its objects before you can start imagining things, after all, every imagined object was somehow derived from what somebody has seen anyway, even if that thing you saw was also imagined, at some point somebody based it off of a real world object more than likely anyway.

So yeah, go ahead, act like a kid, you are one anyway, and I wouldn't expect you, or any other kid to understand the real world and how things work.

To be calling me a douchebag also further proves your idiocy, and it's people like you that almost make me want to give up even trying here at Blockland, because most of you guys never learn, and just blow off the truth as an attack of some kind, and just get mad at the poster. You would never accept anything but positive feedback on your art, meaning you are a selfish artist who's not willing to learn new things.

Being an artist is also learning how to handle the negative criticism. If you think I'm bad, which I'm not, then you really don't want to know what some people can and will say. I'm just an honest critique, I will say what I feel and I do not regret the results of my actions, as I know a real mature artist, will not act in such a way as you did.

Either way, I don't care. Say what you want. It's not going to stop me. EVER. IF you can't handle it, then maybe the art world is not a world for you, because sooner or later, you are going to have to deal with this stuff, and if you never learn how, then its going to eat you alive.

I've already said the art world isn't for me. I draw for fun, not to get better by others' standards. I accept that the drawings are not good, I even stated that in the original post.

To say I am immature for not accepting your view on what art is does not make sense. It is hypocritical. I know how the real world works. Art is not my profession, and I never said it was. I am far better at other things.

I am not an artist. I learn new things. I accept negative feedback. Everything you have derived about my personality is wrong, and therefore I can see it is not me who is jumping to assumptions.

I say that you pulled a douchebag move, and you call me an immature idiot. Both are insults, except I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to an action on your part. More hypocrisy.

Now I will insult you. Being an arrogant cunt does not help people in any way, especially if you can't see that they accept the abilities (or lack thereof) they have, and do not want to improve by some random person's standards. And then you state you do not care about a response. That's like saying "I'm SO obviously correct that a logical rebuttal will just have to be ignored."

You're a friend.

Notice how I do not call people Douchebags or cunts or friends. People that use these words usually discredit their statements, because use of these words in that way only shows that you are immature. If you had not used these words, maybe I'd be more open to your statements, but as you cannot resist to use them, just shows me how you really are.

And if you think its going to "hurt" my feelings, you can think again. You just show me that you can't handle a little honesty. So go ahead and twist things around again, its not going to make it all better. Your last post where you quote me, further proves you are again twisting what I said into your own words. If you really think that I am being one way, then you really do not understand my post.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 08:42:58 AM by Trash Man »

I agree that I am not a good artist. You're just too dense to understand that I don't need to be. I drew some things and decided to post them. There's nothing wrong with that. You're the one who jumped to insulting me directly before I did, and the wording doesn't matter. An insult is an insult.

I don't think I'm going to hurt your feelings. I have repeatedly stated that I took the honest critique of my 30 minutes of work and accepted it, but you just don't understand that. All you do is attack random people because you have a superiority complex. I have dealt with people like you before on this forum, except they were actually decent human beings. You, on the other hand, believe that you are a greater person solely from the fact that you are a better artist.

Now that last post definitely is showing how you like to just twist things around to make people look bad. I in no way feel superior to anyone here. I admit myself that my art has its flaws, and has many things needed to improve. When a person came and told me on my DA page that they didn't like my faces, I didn't get mad, I just accepted it and from that point was more careful in making my faces. I didn't attack them, or twist their words to make them look bad either.

I am just a honest critic because I believe in honest criticism no matter how harsh it may become or show. I in no way feel I am better than anyone and I act this way to any and all people in the world, even if they are a far superior in their skills than I am. You just don't see this part because It's all on Deviant art and Sheezy art, so you assume that I have this superiority complex, which I do not. had you seen my other posts on this site, which are not even related to artwork, then you'd realize this is true. I just am a critic, and the life of a critic means to be open and honest, even if the result is people hating you. I chose this a long time ago when I became a critic, and if you can't realize this, than I'm sorry you don't understand. But your twisting my words and actions to make me look bad is really stupid, and you are just making things worse for yourself.

DO NOT TWIST THINGS INTO YOUR OWN WORDS IN ORDER TO MAKE SOMEBODY LOOK BAD, ITS WRONG AND IMMORAL, AND ONLY PROVES THAT YOU JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS WORK.

HAHA OH WOW

I agree that I am not a good artist.

I've already said the art world isn't for me. I draw for fun, not to get better by others' standards. I accept that the drawings are not good.

I am aware that any good artist needs a good foundation with basic realistic drawing, but drawing has never been more than something fun to do for me. It's been entertaining since I was a child, but I was never particularly good at it. It was entertaining because I was drawing solely from my imagination, instead of placing what I see in front of me on paper in a mechanical and mind numbing fashion.
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You are superior. I shall lay no claim to your title as supreme-manga-drawing-Japanese-fluent-overlord.

I know it's not that great.

You keep saying that I can't take an honest criticism, and yet I state over and over again that my art is not good. I'm getting mad at you not for criticizing my work, but for being unnecessarily arrogant. I am not twisting your words. You are simply ignoring mine.

HAHA OH WOW

You keep saying that I can't take an honest criticism, and yet I state over and over again that my art is not good. I'm getting mad at you not for criticizing my work, but for being unnecessarily arrogant. I am not twisting your words. You are simply ignoring mine.
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I don't think you even understand what the argument is about anymore.

My last post was describing why my posts are the way they are, and it just me saying that I do not have a superiority complex, which you stated in the post before my last one. You are saying these things because your goal is obviously to make me look bad at this point.

You can go ahead and make yet a new post, and try to continue to make me look bad by bringing in some new statement of crap.

My goal is not to make you seem bad, it's to show people you are bad.

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Now I will insult you. Being an arrogant cunt does not help people in any way, especially if you can't see that they accept the abilities (or lack thereof) they have, and do not want to improve by some random person's standards. And then you state you do not care about a response. That's like saying "I'm SO obviously correct that a logical rebuttal will just have to be ignored."

You're a friend.

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All you do is attack random people because you have a superiority complex. I have dealt with people like you before on this forum, except they were actually decent human beings. You, on the other hand, believe that you are a greater person solely from the fact that you are a better artist.

These are the kinds of things that resulted in my saying what I did. That right there is called twisting my actions and then placing your own reasons behind them, and you do this to try to make me look bad, even though it is not true, nor is there any evidence to prove such, therefor, these kinds of statements are wrong and immoral, thus the entire reason of my post a few posts up.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 10:24:04 AM by Trash Man »

lol, you're calling people on the internet wrong and immoral. Looks like it's you who needs a life lesson, not me.

Accept that you're a hypocritical friend.

If you think you can change me, or make yourself feel better, you can keep dreaming.

Let me know when you grow older, and understand a little more. For now I will go away. But I shall return, and I will feed on the innocent souls such as yourself.

I will admit my mistake was calling you a kiddie, that won't be happening again in future posts. But if you think I'm being bad for being honest in my critique (wait hold on, don't go saying I ignored your posts, this is not what thats about, this is about why my posts are the way they are, please understand this), then you are wrong there. Yes, again I agree the kiddie thing was out of line, but that was the only thing out of line.

So if you are going to try to make me look bad, at least do it right. Do not say crap about me feeling superior, which I do not, and do not say things like I am only doing this because I feel my art is better, which I do not. Please, at least get your stuff right and learn how to make somebody look bad. You don't need to because I just did this for you.

You can continue to use your words like friend, but every time you use them, it's more like showing us that you are the words you are using.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 10:34:40 AM by Trash Man »

If you think you can change me, or make yourself feel better, you can keep dreaming.

Let me know when you grow older, and understand a little more. For now I will go away. But I shall return, and I will feed on the innocent souls such as yourself.

I will admit my mistake was calling you a kiddie, that won't be happening again in future posts. But if you think I'm being bad for being honest in my critique (wait hold on, don't go saying I ignored your posts, this is not what thats about, this is about why my posts are the way they are, please understand this), then you are wrong there. Yes, again I agree the kiddie thing was out of line, but that was the only thing out of line.

So if you are going to try to make me look bad, at least do it right. Do not say crap about me feeling superior, which I do not, and do not say things like I am only doing this because I feel my art is better, which I do not. Please, at least get your stuff right and learn how to make somebody look bad. You don't need to because I just did this for you.

You can continue to use your words like friend, but every time you use them, it's more like showing us that you are the words you are using.

tl:dr - ragequit

I understand plenty. I understand that you are the source of all friendry in this board. I understand that all you do is attack people and then defend yourself to the death if they respond. And then if they still provide valid points, you just ask them to grow older and then leave.

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tl:dr - ragequit

I understand plenty. I understand that you are the source of all friendry in this board. I understand that all you do is attack people and then defend yourself to the death if they respond. And then if they still provide valid points, you just ask them to grow older and then leave.

But all he did was give you advice on how to do better. It's not really a good idea to start on a special art style or it will be extremely hard or it will take long for you to master anatomy on that special art style. You should take a book on anatomy, and your art will be easier to master and it will be perfect.

I understand that. I said that I did not want to improve myself as an artist as much as I just wanted to draw for fun. That's what he doesn't get, and apparently neither do you.