Author Topic: SATAN WANTS YOUR CHILDREN  (Read 29330 times)


Good job ignoring my post on the same quotes.
I didn't ignore anything. You dismissed the possibility of there being a being who does not exist within our 3D realm, what makes you think a parallel dimension would be any different? We can't prove either right now so they are just as viable as each other. Dismissing one theory and basing it off of another equally questionable theory makes no better argument. And String Theory deals with events across the universe being interconnected  with another event, not the creation of energy to make the big bang.

Happy now? lol

I really do like this game but I really was expecting it to pop up on that list. Just because most of the game is based off of mythology or religion. If I am correct you can get a persona called "Satan" and "Lucifer".

Unfortunately, you couldn't get a Jesus persona or anything like that in this game, the closest thing you could get was a weird guy with a boombox in his pelvis called Messiah. It made up for it by having a bad guy that looks like Jesus and shoots people with a 44 magnum though. Also Lucifer was the best persona so I guess you were a satanist or something.

I don't doubt that that is accepted by the scientific community. what the question was asking is if energy can not be created or destroyed, what could generate the amount of energy required in order to cause such a massive explosion of ultra-dense particles that is still causing the expansion of the universe as we know it?

Yet scientists have indeed done 4 different examples of pre big bang universes and no one scoffs at those. They can't agree on either of them, but when a supernatural being comes into the mix. Nope, can't be right, even though we still have as of yet to determine if there is any life out there that hasn't evolved waaaaay before us, we'll just assume we're the superior intellect in the universe and everything we say has to be the final answer.

I'm so tired of Human arrogance and their need to be the ultimate power over everything they observe.

Look, let me point out why god isn't part of Mathematical models. God is a logical error. First off, for something to exist, it needs to be within our physical universe. Simplest rule there is, if it's not in our universe it does not exist, this is stating nothing else and nothing new. Now then,

Saying god made everything loops back to the question: who made god? Did god make himself?

Saying god always existed provides it's own set of logic traps: it suggests the universe existed before it's creation since, for a being to exist within a universe, the universe already needs to be present. There was nowhere to exist in before the universe was created. He wasn't allowed to pop up and spark his magic to make our universe, he had nowhere to pop up, he'd need to be inside the very thing he created before creating it in order to exist within it. I guess this answers the previous question, God made himself, but with the added twist of creating himself before he existed.

Saying God can exist when he wants to and can't when he wants to leaves us with the startling realization that his non-existence would simultaneously require the universe to cease to exist, since his existence pends on the creation of the universe to ascertain his existence. If god would ever wish to cease to exist, he would cause his preexisting self to never create the universe in the first place in order to Not exist. So God isn't allowed to live in the middle grounds of existence, either he's around or he's not and it's a rule that's always in effect. Let's keep going.

Saying God is omnipotent is a handy excuse for "stuff he can do whatever the forget he wants quit questioning him". Anyways opinions aside, the problem with omnipotence is the following: He's allowed to do anything he wants and has infinite knowledge at his disposal to justify his actions, is it sustainable in our logic-based universe? Omnipotence requires a sketchy value of Infinite. With infinite power comes a few rules: You can either have infinite potential to act or infinite potential and infinite action simultaneously (infinite is infinite within our universe). You cannot be omnipotent without infinite potential, since omnipotence IS infinite potential.

Existentially omnipotence requires that once you start acting that you never stop acting until you hit some barrier of infinite potential in order to stop you (Everything has to hit some sort of wall eventually, thermodynamics says so). So God would act out infinity forever if he were to ever act even once. Maybe God could stop himself but it would require him to act, creating another infinite action paradox. He could create another self which would itself be infinite potential and action, God would have to create himself in order to act. Another problem is the moment a being of infinite potential acts, his actions have infinite meaning within our universe and cannot be quantified, but that's just details. Saying he could act in "short bursts" still makes no sense either, if you take a piece of infinite, it's infinite. You can't quantize infinite, in other words you can't cut it down!


If we tie everything together, taking into account that God is omnipotent, can/can't exist when he wishes, always exists, and that he created the universe, it comes down to a huge ass logical error in that when God acts he needs to create another god to stop him from acting forever, simultaneously recreating the universe in order for this god to be brought from non-existence to existence, and that to cease to exist would simultaneously cause him to Act thus recreating himself and the universe to exist in order for him to stop existing, and it just goes on and on and on.

Keep in mind I made only one scientific assumption here, the Thermodynamic one (which is actually logical if you payed close attention), and I played fair and used all the rules I keep hearing about how he operates.

The universe makes more sense without God, not the other way around.
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Also Lucifer was the best persona so I guess you were a satanist or something.
I'm not a satanist I just hear "Lucifer" in metal songs so I think he does something for Satan lol.

I didn't ignore anything. You dismissed the possibility of there being a being who does not exist within our 3D realm, what makes you think a parallel dimension would be any different? We can't prove either right now so they are just as viable as each other. Dismissing one theory and basing it off of another equally questionable theory makes no better argument. And String Theory deals with events across the universe being interconnected  with another event, not the creation of energy to make the big bang.

Happy now? lol
Yes, parallel universes are theoretical, but if they offer the only explanation for the big bang then, scientifically, they must exist.  However, that logic would not apply to a god, because there is no other logical/factual basis for a god to exist.

And I wanted you to look into the string/membrane theory seeing that they give an explanation on how parallel universes could collide, just so you were informed on that area of how parallel universes could cause the big bang.

Saying god made everything loops back to the question: who made god? Did god make himself?

God, before he was born had love with himself had gave birth to himself.

God, before he was born had love with himself had gave birth to himself.
How can you have love with something before it exists?, lol.

How can you have love with something before it exists?, lol.
According to the Church god can do anything and anyone

Christians are some crazy brotherspeople.



Look, let me point out why god isn't part of Mathematical models. God is a logical error. First off, for something to exist, it needs to be within our physical universe. Simplest rule there is, if it's not in our universe it does not exist, this is stating nothing else and nothing new. Now then, Based on limited human experience since we still discover new things all the time that we never knew existed before. So things can still exist outside of our limited concept of the universe.

Saying god made everything loops back to the question: who made god? Did god make himself?
Depending on the religion you believe in, there is an answer to this. I've already stated one example of this in another thread arguing with Inv3rted about the same point.

Saying god always existed provides it's own set of logic traps: it suggests the universe existed before it's creation since, for a being to exist within a universe, the universe already needs to be present. There was nowhere to exist in before the universe was created. He wasn't allowed to pop up and spark his magic to make our universe, he had nowhere to pop up, he'd need to be inside the very thing he created before creating it in order to exist within it. I guess this answers the previous question, God made himself, but with the added twist of creating himself before he existed.
Science also states that there are 4 different states the universe existed in before the big bang, so science also concludes the effect that the Universe has always been there. Secondly, you're again stating that the universe came from nothing. Since you can't create nor destroy energy, that is not possible.

Saying God can exist when he wants to and can't when he wants to leaves us with the startling realization that his non-existence would simultaneously require the universe to cease to exist, since his existence pends on the creation of the universe to ascertain his existence. If god would ever wish to cease to exist, he would cause his preexisting self to never create the universe in the first place in order to Not exist. So God isn't allowed to live in the middle grounds of existence, either he's around or he's not and it's a rule that's always in effect. Let's keep going.
I don't ever remember stating this nor ever being taught about selective devine existence. God is always there, you say, so you've already contradicted yourself. So Where you got that information, I will never know, nor consider it a credible argument.

Saying God is omnipotent is a handy excuse for "stuff he can do whatever the forget he wants quit questioning him". Anyways opinions aside, the problem with omnipotence is the following: He's allowed to do anything he wants and has infinite knowledge at his disposal to justify his actions, is it sustainable in our universe logic-based universe? Omnipotence requires a sketchy value of Infinite. With infinite power comes a few rules: You can either have infinite potential to act or infinite potential and infinite action simultaneously (infinite is infinite within our universe). You cannot be omnipotent without infinite potential, since omnipotence IS infinite potential.
Yet everyone says that you can't question science either. What's the difference? Science is continually changing and evolving with different concepts and ideas and all of it is taken on it's own form of faith. Previous ideas are always being proven wrong, so in about 100 years, imagine what we consider solid truth to be a stupid mistake?

Existentially omnipotence requires that once you start acting that you never stop acting until you hit some barrier of infinite potential in order to stop you (Everything has to hit some sort of wall eventually, thermodynamics says so). So God would act out infinity forever if he were to ever act even once. Maybe God could stop himself but it would require him to act, creating another infinite action paradox. He could create another self which would itself be infinite potential and action, God would have to create himself in order to act. Another problem is the moment a being of infinite potential acts, his actions have infinite meaning within our universe and cannot be quantified, but that's just details. Saying he could act in "short bursts" still makes no sense either, if you take a piece of infinite, it's infinite. You can't quantize infinite, in other words you can't cut it down!
Inv3rted has already stipulated that there is a possibility that God could have randomly evolved just as well as humanity has and has had a much longer time of existence to be able to things that we would consider magical and miraculous. It would be the same as if we went back in time 2000 years with a laptop computer. Imagine how godly we'd seem to those poor slobs. Imagine how a person 2000 years from now would look to us.

If we tie everything together, taking into account that God is omnipotent, can/can't exist when he wishes, always exists, and that he created the universe, it comes down to a huge ass logical error in that when God acts he needs to create another god to stop him from acting forever, simultaneously recreating the universe in order for this god to be brought from non-existence to existence, and that to cease to exist would simultaneously cause him to Act thus recreating himself and the universe to exist in order for him to stop existing, and it just goes on and on and on.
And that's why time paradoxes are so confusing because there is no real logical way for our minds to grasp such concepts as a being taking trillions of years to evolve, develop the ability to apply space time in all of it's applications, including the ability to travel in time, go back and force evolve himself to his present state before he has to experience all the crap he has to go through but still retain all of that experience, and go one to repeat the cycle for eternity and thus always exist and yet, never existing. Then out of sheer boredom goes on to create whatever he feels like while he waits for his eventual back lasp in time to redo it all over again.

Keep in mind I made only one scientific assumption here, the Thermodynamic one (which is actually logical if you payed close attention), and I played fair and used all the rules I keep hearing about how he operates.
Yes, you made a pretty decent argument in the case, but with what I know about sciences, I have also come up with counter arguments that can make sense if people cared to take the time to theorize, philosophize, and keep an open mind about the possibilities instead of immediately dismissing them because it's religious. It's almost like it's a thing people fear.

The universe makes more sense without God, not the other way around.
And I've shown that it can make just as much sense with him as without. So we're back to square one. We've gone nowhere. You just won't convince me bud, so just learn that you can't prove to me he doesn't exist and get on with your life.

Oh god haha
Jesus opens the darkness, and shines his love at me  :cookieMonster:
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Jesus opens the darkness, and shines his love at me  :cookieMonster:
**How i heard it**

A random hobo comes up to me, unzips his fly and starts pissing in my mouth.

I hope that its a joke, loving laughed throughout the whole website.