A thought about conscience...

[Music For Life]

Okay, you found out. Welcome to 'Earth' a testing planet where we put one Human in a planet full of Robots that are programmed and designed to function like humans including their insides.

But seriously,  I sometimes think about this, but then I think 'Well, may aswell enjoy it.' And that's why I love life. But if I knew this was setup up for me and this was posted to make me think that their are other people and I am not the only one and I am in a set up then I would probably go crazy and kill everything. Not that it is.

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[oromis]

I want people to go to another solar system already :c and find dem aliens. Although it would be extremely difficult to communicate with them. It would have to fall into place perfectly, where both the humans and alien is thinking "i am going to point to an object and he will tell me what it is in his language"

Can anybody explain fully why we can't access planets farther away? If we built a space ship large enough to hold a lot of fuel and water and food, it would be possible. Or if maybe you could sustain a human in non consciousness and only feed him the bare minimum. In space there is no air drag, so why can't they fire a computerized camera rocket out and have it automatically flip around and come back when it goes x super duper miles.

[.::Taboo::.]

Morals are a waste of time.
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[yuki]

I want people to go to another solar system already :c and find dem aliens.

Can anybody explain fully why we can't access planets farther away? If we built a space ship large enough to hold a lot of fuel and water and food, it would be possible.

You don't seem to understand how impossibly far other planets and solar systems are. EVEN IF we were to try, fuel isn't an issue (propulsion can't exactly be achieved in a vacuum), but maintaining life is. That's A LOT of air and food, because the venture to pluto alone would take over 23 years in our fastest shuttles (3.57 billion miles). You'd also need a really goddamn strong shuttle, to absorb micro-meteors (they will pop a hole in just about anything due to sheer velocity) and the insane amounts of radiation floating around in space (the average amount of radiation in space is astronomical). It would take around 3 years to reach Jupiter, but even then, our shuttles aren't designed to absolutely escape the Earth's gravitational pull and probably wouldn't be able to make it that far. Hell, the fastest we could get to Mars is about a year. Getting to Mars is a hassle, getting to another Solar System is near-impossible right now.

Like I was saying before, Fuel is not an issue in space travel. We could have all the fuel in the world, burning it in space is useless. However, we are designing a method of space-flight called "Solar Sailing":

Solar sails (also called light sails or photon sails) are a form of spacecraft propulsion using the radiation pressure of light from a star or laser to push enormous ultra-thin mirrors to high speeds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_propulsion
There are other methods too, like Ion Engines, but you're thinking Rocket Engines, which are simply designed to exit the atmosphere.

[Zenthrox]

Common sense tells me to avoid posting here again, but that's never stopped me before. -_-

Then why did Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Roman, Chinese, Indian, and Japanese mythology ever exist?
We created gods as a way of explaining the (then) unexplainable.

Right here, your answer is as credible as mine. I could also say Greek, Egyptian, Norse, and other mythologies came from the original stories from the Christian Bible. If I remember correctly, many countries' mythologies share many similarities (The most obvious one being a God, or "gods"). However, just because I say this is a possible answer proves nothing, and this is why I have a problem with these sorts of topics. It's pointless to argue over answers no one is sure about.

To me, gods and religion are like remnants that people won't let go of. Even if we could 100% disprove the existence of a god, people would still call shenanigans and claim God still exists.

You can only imagine how Christians feel when they point out a situation science cannot explain and Atheists say "there's a scientific explanation for this".

I'm not saying there isn't a god, or that we will disprove it. But what I'd really like people to do is to learn to question their beliefs and stop following blindly.

I'm not trying to prove God exists either, but as a human I feel compelled to defend my views. I'd also like to mention that one thing I'd really like people to do is to lose the misconception that all Christians believe in a God just because it was the way they were raised. Having Christian parents only allows their children to learn about Christianity from a young age. Many children are told "don't do drugs" at a young age, but we still find that some of them become drug addicts when they mature. Furthermore, many people have become Christians while they were adults, even if they had Atheist parents.

As for myself, I question my belief from time to time. If any evidence is found that proves that there is no God, I'll be the first one to accept life without a God conception.

[Tom Gunn]

inb4invertedandrughugger

[Wizard]

Zen, it's impossible to disprove your god because no matter how advanced we get, Christians are going to go "well god can bypass that". The god idea is something impossible to disprove, but the fact is there's already overwhelming evidence supporting the incorrectness of your bible.

Common sense tells me to avoid posting here again, but that's never stopped me before. -_-
Right here, your answer is as credible as mine. I could also say Greek, Egyptian, Norse, and other mythologies came from the original stories from the Christian Bible. If I remember correctly, many countries' mythologies share many similarities (The most obvious one being a God, or "gods"). However, just because I say this is a possible answer proves nothing, and this is why I have a problem with these sorts of topics. It's pointless to argue over answers no one is sure about.

christianity comes from my new religion were we believe a giant octopus in the sky created the universe by having love with a walrus. You can't prove me otherwise so I'm just going to say mine was first and caused all others.

[Jsk2003]

You're better than Rex at this

I would say so only because while Rex may spit out more facts that disprove certain religions and their arguments for it, Yuki is arguing in a different viewpoint I guess.

Person: Religion lol fact1 fact2 fact3 lol I right
Yuki: Dude, this is why you think that, but can't you see that this other thing makes much more sense and look at us now.
Rex: Lol. Person,  you're wrong, argument1 argument2 argument3. You're a stupid fundamentalist friend, go die in a fire.

Right here, your answer is as credible as mine. I could also say Greek, Egyptian, Norse, and other mythologies came from the original stories from the Christian Bible. If I remember correctly, many countries' mythologies share many similarities (The most obvious one being a God, or "gods"). However, just because I say this is a possible answer proves nothing, and this is why I have a problem with these sorts of topics. It's pointless to argue over answers no one is sure about.

The Christian Bible originates after those other religions, also do realize Christianity is also a mythology.
Also while we can never prove if god exists or not, we can prove whether religions are wrong or right.

You can only imagine how Christians feel when they point out a situation science cannot explain and Atheists say "there's a scientific explanation for this".

Example? Because from what I read, it seems as though you're like "It makes us butthurt when we say you can't explain something and then you actually do :(."

I'm not trying to prove God exists either, but as a human I feel compelled to defend my views. I'd also like to mention that one thing I'd really like people to do is to lose the misconception that all Christians believe in a God just because it was the way they were raised. Having Christian parents only allows their children to learn about Christianity from a young age. Many children are told "don't do drugs" at a young age, but we still find that some of them become drug addicts when they mature. Furthermore, many people have become Christians while they were adults, even if they had Atheist parents.

I know of some people who actually have based their religious faith on rational thinking, rather than just "I know it from all of my heart."
"Knowing from the heart" = Purely just believing because you were raised/brought up to believe.

As for myself, I question my belief from time to time. If any evidence is found that proves that there is no God, I'll be the first one to accept life without a God conception.

Like i said earlier, no one can prove if god exists or not, however we can prove that your religion is a sham.

[Jsk2003]

Another post, so it's separated.

On the topic of whether or not everyone else is fake/robots/just a dream etc, there's no way of knowing (just like no way of knowing if god exists), so stop thinking about it and just believe in whatever is rational.

[Illidan]

everyone else is fake/robots/just a dream etc

I used to think that when I was 4 lol

[Zaran]

Science is a religion. Oh stuff, that was a devide by zero cunundru-

Science is not a religion.  Faith is one of the most important aspects in religion, while science is is based on evidence.  Religious faith lacks evidence.

[Makingblah]

One of jupiters moons is said to be able to support life.

[Wizard]

Science is not a religion.  Faith is one of the most important aspects in religion, while science is is based on evidence.  Religious faith lacks evidence.

u don't exist zaran

One of jupiters moons is said to be able to support life.

I'm pretty sure that's not much more than microbes though. We'd know if there was intelligent life right now in our solar system.

[Rughugger]

inb4invertedandrughugger

Too late for me. I posted at the end of page one. lol

Science is not a religion.  Faith is one of the most important aspects in religion, while science is is based on evidence.  Religious faith lacks evidence.

I do believe you are mistaken my friend... Wikipedia agrees with me.

"A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one's origins, one's place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways. Religion is often equated with faith and belief in a higher power or truth, but it is more properly defined as the pattern of action that expresses that faith, and reinforces it in day-to-day living. Thus, one can share the philosophy of a religion, believing in its higher truth, without manifesting that faith religiously."

You believe science is real. You believe that science is the truth. You believe the facts that support it. You believe it explains your origins. You believe that it has a place in the world for you. It influences how you go about your day to day life. You take all of this on faith that everything you know now through science is true. Yet science, itself, has been proven incorrect as much as any religion has over the years. Science, as well as any religious faith has been corrected over the years to better incorporate into the world. You have faith and belief in Science, so therefore you observe and defend it as religiously as anyone who is a Christian.

As far as Religious faith not having credible evidence....We've cloned sheep. We've created a life purely out of science. We know how to manipulate the genome and DNA to make all new breeds of animals and plants (Glow in the dark tomatoes anyone?) These things didn't simply evolve. We created them out of nothing. Creationism is a very real thing and science is growing ever closer in proving this the more we understand about it. Science will eventually prove how anything in the Bible can and will be real.

Chris Angel can walk on water. So could Jesus. Coincidence? Are either of them a "son of God" to God, we are all his children, so yes.

I could go on further, but you'll most likely ignore any of this because heaven forbid someone disagree with you.

Oh, Merry Christmas by the way! :)

[Zaran]

Faith is defined as a belief that is not based on proof.  Science is based on evidence.

I believe the facts that support science because there are facts that support science.  I don't take science on faith, but on veritable evidence.  Religion on the other hand, is based on pure faith in the supernatural.  To assume I have faith that science will find a place for me in the world is completely out of line.  Science doesn't determine our roles in the advancement of our civilization, we determine the path of advancement for science.

When a theory is proven incorrect, we learn as much as if it was proven true, perhaps more.  When religion is proven false, the person is called a heretic and/or ignored.  Religious faith is not corrected, it cannot be.  The written word of religion is corrected based on the way the world evolves.  When a scientific theory is proven false, it is a not a belief of mine that changes, but my understanding of the way the world operates.

As far as Religious faith not having credible evidence....We've cloned sheep. We've created a life purely out of science. We know how to manipulate the genome and DNA to make all new breeds of animals and plants (Glow in the dark tomatoes anyone?) These things didn't simply evolve. We created them out of nothing. Creationism is a very real thing and science is growing ever closer in proving this the more we understand about it. Science will eventually prove how anything in the Bible can and will be real.

Looks like you need to read a bit more pal.  Creationism refers to the belief that everything was created by a supernatural being.  You just said that we created them, which is not an example of Creationism.  As for them not evolving, you couldn't be more wrong.  Science has taken DNA and manipulated it, because it has evolved to that point.

Now what you said was pretty damn stupid.  If we hadn't studied the sheep, we couldn't just make one with a wave of our hand.  We can create the sheep because we have studied it's DNA and developed, through science, a method of replicating it.  If we had done so a few hundred years ago, we would have had different DNA and a different result, because the sheep was at a different stage of it's evolution.

Chris Angel can walk on water. So could Jesus. Coincidence? Are either of them a "son of God" to God, we are all his children, so yes.

Parlor tricks, not science.  Good example.  If you read any of my posts, I enjoy it when people disagree with me.  Keep arguing.