New Graphics Card

[Decel]

You didn't say that before, AND

Yeah I know, I left you to making assumptions as you are continually doing.
I said I pirate. What do you assume that means? For all you know I could be roaming the seas, taking hostages and stealing booty.
But no. You assume I pirate digitally, infringing on copyrights, specifically games. I never said anything of the sort. I could have been talking about music.

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[Zaran]

With terrible driver support, and high power consumption and temperatures, yes.  Oh nice job using your own card as a representation of all ATI brands.

Chipsets are not graphics cards.  There are chipsets IN the graphics cards, but they are not the "chipsets" you are referring to.
He was already told this by the people who know their stuff.

There is no such thing as an external graphics card.  Graphics cards are cards, that are placed into an internal "port" on your motherboard, INSIDE of the computer.  Basically, if your computer is less than 10 years old, you can buy most graphics cards and be fine.  But, in order to be sure about compatibility, research what motherboard you have and find which slot it has, either "AGP", "PCI", or "PCI-e".  Then, get a graphics card that conforms to the of those three that you have.  IF your motherboard has more than one kind of slot, remember this: PCI-e>PCI>AGP.  Woo you know what a GPU is!

Wrong.  You are simply spewing crap because you are mad I've got better graphics performance for less money.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5970,2474-8.html

Two GTX 285's beat your card.  End of story.

It most certainly doesn't beat out the 285, which, before the 5850, was the fastest single-GPU graphics card.   As for the 275, in some games, yes, in most games, no.  Again, with terrible driver support, high power consumption, and high temperatures.  The 4890 is easily on par with a 275 and does not have the same flaws as your 5970.

Idiot.  That's all I have to say. Modern science is a conspiracy hurf durf.

Heh heh, no.  Do to various specialties of the eye, FPS is not the only thing involved, and if it wasn't for some factors, the eye would have a nigh-unlimited range in what fps it could process.  But, 40fps is playable, most certainly.


As to the whole "MY FPS IS BETTER THAN YOURS" argument, decel is continuing in his moronic argument because he's hiding the fact that the resolution that he plays at is MUCH smaller, and therefore, lower hardware is able to give out much better numbers.
Decel runs at 1680 x 1050, when that starts becoming a much smaller resolution then standard let me know.

So you admit to pirating stuff?  Learn to read dumbass.  Don't just post without reading the loving topic.


Frankly, I think it's time you all take a very good look at yourselves, realize that none of you know everything there is to know about the subject, and just drop the whole thing.  You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.  Your e-peen is pretty much just a cucumber you put down your pants.

[dkamm65]

I said I pirate. What do you assume that means? For all you know I could be roaming the seas, taking hostages and stealing booty.

LOL Is THAT your argument?
Sorry for not realizing you were Jack Sparrow.
face→palm
/leavingthread

[Decel]

LOL Is THAT your argument?

face→palm
/leavingthread

Its not an argument, I'm just saying you don't know what the forget I meant so you assumed I meant I pirate games. But yeah, leave.

[Duckmeister]

Because you're obviously the master of it all.

Yep, I am, thanks!

Also 2x GTX 285s can beat the 5970. Crysis is one very poorly optimized game. Very bias.

Okay, let's just go along with this delusion and say they CAN beat the 5970.  However, the 5970 is $600, two 285s are $740.  That speaks for itself.

Now, let's break the delusion:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5970,2474-9.html
Look especially at the 8xAA benchmark.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5970,2474-7.html
The 5970 stays out of Decel's "non playable" range, even at 4xAA.

Because he isn't.

Oh, but I am.


Zaran:

The 5000 series actually has none of the flaws I described.  ATI really outdid themselves, although that really isn't a compliment.  Terrible driver support and high power consumptions are practically trademarks of the 4000 series.  Way to not know anything about what you are talking about, as it is always the case with you.

[Decel]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5970,2474-9.html
Look especially at the 8xAA benchmark.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality/Sum-of-FPS-Benchmarks-1680x1050,1634.html
'ere you go.

Also you guys seem to be misunderstanding. I said all games are playable at 30-40 fps except FPS games. I went on later to narrow that to competitive FPS games. Do you not agree?

[Duckmeister]

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality/Sum-of-FPS-Benchmarks-1680x1050,1634.html
'ere you go.

At the time they tested the 5970, the only drivers available were 9.10 beta drivers.

Now that 9.12 catalyst is out, all of the numbers in the tests I've been linking to (and yet, the 5970 STILL beats your 285s), and, of course, that test you linked to, are false.  The new 9.12 catalyst drivers increase performance by a very large amount.

[Ethan]

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[Decel]

At the time they tested the 5970, the only drivers available were 9.10 beta drivers.

Now that 9.12 catalyst is out, all of the numbers in the tests I've been linking to (and yet, the 5970 STILL beats your 285s), and, of course, that test you linked to, are false.  The new 9.12 catalyst drivers increase performance by a very large amount.

They aren't mine. I'm simply showing what I see via benchmarks. And I don't keep up with the drivers of a card I don't use, so

[Duckmeister]

Also you guys seem to be misunderstanding. I said all games are playable at 30-40 fps except FPS games. I went on later to narrow that to competitive FPS games. Do you not agree?

Nope, I still disagree.  You are a moron.

They aren't mine. I'm simply showing what I see via benchmarks. And I don't keep up with the drivers of a card I don't use, so

Of course they aren't yours.  I'm simply saying that what you are seeing is false because the actual performance is way higher due to better drivers.  If every card had perfect drivers that optimally used the card, the 5970 would kick the crap out of two 285s.

[Zaran]

The 4000 series currently has none of the issues you mentioned.  The 5970 does.

[Decel]

Then why are high FPS a requirement for professional gaming, if it doesn't make a difference? Why does the game feel so much smoother and play so much better when I turn down settings to get over 60 fps? I really don't see how anyone could be playing TF2 or CSS or CoD with 30 FPS and enjoy the game. Not 40 FPS either. 50+, maybe.

[Duckmeister]

The 4000 series currently has none of the issues you mentioned.  The 5970 does.

Yes because any of the high-end 4000x2 models handled power and temperatures WAY better than the 5970 does currently.  You are an idiot.

Why does the game feel so much smoother and play so much better when I turn down settings to get over 60 fps?

Why are you asking me?  I'm not you.  I don't see a difference between 30FPS and 60FPS, as long as 30FPS is the minimum FPS I'm getting.  Maybe YOU see a difference, but that is irrelevant to everyone else that do not see a difference.

[Decel]

I'm sorry but I can't comprehend how you don't see the difference between 30 and 60 frames per second. If you really can't, good for you, you require less than I. I know for a fact:
People with higher FPS in SA-MP move faster
People with higher FPS in certain CoD4 maps can get to areas others cannot, and past 200 or so they have no footstep sounds.
There are other examples, but this is enough to show that higher fps should definitely be striven for while lower fps should be frowned upon, and that it definitely does make a difference.

[MtnDew]

I'm sorry but I can't comprehend how you don't see the difference between 30 and 60 frames per second. If you really can't, good for you, you require less than I. I know for a fact:
People with higher FPS in SA-MP move faster
People with higher FPS in certain CoD4 maps can get to areas others cannot, and past 200 or so they have no footstep sounds.
There are other examples, but this is enough to show that higher fps should definitely be striven for while lower fps should be frowned upon, and that it definitely does make a difference.

IM SORRY WHAT?

you realize fps is just frames per second.

It doesn't enable them to have super powers.