Author Topic: Anti-Theists and Anti-Atheists.  (Read 8282 times)

God creating the Earth: I don't know if the bible states a number but apparently it says 6000 somewhere. Radiometric dating of many different elements points to an age a bit older than that (~4.54 billion years)
Adam and Eve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal oh gee I wonder how those got there
Animals: It's been a long while since I read genesis but I'm certain the creation of animals was mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
Multiple experiments have proven that various elements of life cab be created from nonorganic matter in conditions (believed to be) similar to that of an early Earth. I will find and cite some of these if you wish.

yes it is
Exactly, when there is zero proof of someone commiting a murder (or having any involvement in, or motive to do so) they are said to be innocent.

Oh, my bad. Apparently, atheists don't believe in god, but do believe there are gods.
Different atheists have different beliefs, just as with any other religion (or lack thereof..). Note the various denominations of Christianity and the schism in Islam.

Proof is required on both sides.

No.

It is ridiculous, silly, dumb, and ignorant to assume something is true without proof.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Argument from ignorance.


God creating the Earth: I don't know if the bible states a number but apparently it says 6000 somewhere.
It actually never says. And while uses the unit of days it never actually says how long a day was. Also, the time Adam and Eve spent in the garden before they were kicked out is unknown.

It is ridiculous, silly, dumb, and ignorant to assume something is true without proof.
And that is what you are doing. During this entire argument the only things I've assumed are true are mathematics and language. I recall this statement.

It is ridiculous, silly, dumb, and ignorant to assume something is true without proof.
The amount of things you assumed without proof in the past second is ridiculous. There is no real proof of anything. Everything is assumed.

Edit: This kind of makes every argument invalid.

I am now going to reply to all anti-theism comments with the statement, "Looks like someone needs some Vitamin-J."
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It actually never says. And while uses the unit of days it never actually says how long a day was. Also, the time Adam and Eve spent in the garden before they were kicked out is unknown.

That's like after having argued that the average human is 20 feet tall then reading a study saying it's about 6 feet and then saying "well they didn't say how big a foot is".

The amount of things you assumed without proof in the past second is ridiculous. There is no real proof of anything. Everything is assumed.
You've been playing too much Assassin's Creed
That or I have since you may not be attempting to quote something from it.

Er... Anyway..

If you have clear evidence of something, it is considered proven. What you're basically saying now is that everything we know is a lie. Which it may very well be, but that's a depressing existential conversation I'd rather not go into.

Oh, my bad. Apparently, atheists don't believe in god, but do believe there are gods.

You are missing the entire point.

"I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GODS."
That is the position that there are no gods that exist for me to believe in.

For me to say:

"I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO GODS"
That would be incorrect.

Atheism is, broken down:

A - not or without
theism - belief in a god or gods.

Atheism is without belief in gods. To use the definition "a belief there are no gods" is presupposing the existence of gods, which is incorrect.

So, repeat after me.

ATHEISM IS A LACK OF A BELIEF IN GODS, NOT A BELIEF THAT THERE ARE NO GODS.

If you still don't get it, watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ

That's like after having argued that the average human is 20 feet tall then reading a study saying it's about 6 feet and then saying "well they didn't say how big a foot is".
Since this isn't anti-theism, I'm going to say that the time the Earth takes to rotate on it's axis probably not constant.

Since this isn't anti-theism, I'm going to say that the time the Earth takes to rotate on it's axis probably not constant.
However it is reliably measurable, and would not vary to a great degree, at least during the time in which we have been able to measure it, which could be relatively small, so you do have a point, but it probably would not speed up over time.

You are missing the entire point.

"I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GODS."
That is the position that there are no gods that exist for me to believe in.

For me to say:

"I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO GODS"
That would be incorrect.

Atheism is, broken down:

A - not or without
theism - belief in a god or gods.

Atheism is without belief in gods. To use the definition "a belief there are no gods" is presupposing the existence of gods, which is incorrect.

So, repeat after me.

ATHEISM IS A LACK OF A BELIEF IN GODS, NOT A BELIEF THAT THERE ARE NO GODS.

If you still don't get it, watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ

4+5=/=5+4 because I rearranged the words. Looks like someone needs some Vitamin-J.

A lack of belief in the existence of gods is the same as believing there are none, because saying there are none is the same as saying that they do not exist, thus they lack the belief in them when they say there are none.

The amount of things you assumed without proof in the past second is ridiculous. There is no real proof of anything. Everything is assumed.
I have come to the conclusion that you are handicapped.

I am now going to reply to all anti-theism comments with the statement, "Looks like someone needs some Vitamin-J."

HURR EBEN GAWD LUBS AFEYISSTS.

I have come to the conclusion that you are handicapped.
I have come to the conclusion that you need some Vitamin-J. G'night.

Since this isn't anti-theism, I'm going to say that the time the Earth takes to rotate on it's axis probably not constant.
It isn't. It slows by .00002 seconds or something like that per century. For all purposes let's call a day 24 hours and a year 365 days so you can stop your bitching.

Also, the time Adam and Eve spent in the garden before they were kicked out is unknown.
Yeah I'm thinking that's probably because nobody really bore witness to that partly because it didn't happen and partly because there were two people on Earth at the time whose children inbred like crazy.

I have come to the conclusion that you need some Vitamin-J. G'night.
This is not a valid argument and is the equivalent of jamming your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG LALALALA".

A lack of belief in the existence of gods is the same as believing there are none, because saying there are none is the same as saying that they do not exist, thus they lack the belief in them when they say there are none.
I don't know what the forget you're trying to prove here but I'm thinking it's irrelevant.

Explain, how the forget did God stop the sun?