A Civil iMac Versus PC Thread - Read OP before you go PCFanboy-ing.

[yuki]

so you have broken down for us, your entire devotion to mac is the customer service?
that is beyond jaded. you are a marketer's sucker.

and if macs have so few problems....why are you needing to call them for any support?

I remember watching a video for the "Genius Bar", the name of their actual I.T. help walk-in store. The first thing I asked myself was "why is it so crowded?"

No I'm not making a joke, go to the apple site and watch the Genius Bar video.

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[dkamm65]

Except bisjac is actually making points, you're just saying "I'm right, you're wrong."

[Narkro555]

PC
Pros:
 Generally faster (or can be made so easily)
 More customizable by far (I mean hardware too)
 Tends to be better for gaming (right click and scroll wheel)
 Is more open to hardware brands
Cons:
 Sometimes can seem complicated, but once understood can go far
 Does not always look pretty
Macs
Pros:
 Easier to learn how to use
 Shiny!
Cons:
 Bullied into only using Intel chips
 Very hard to customize hardware
 Bad for gaming (right click and mouse wheel)
 Can be slower, and not be easily improved

EDIT: Before you give me any of that "magic mouse" "special feature mouse pad" bull stuffake mushrooms, I mean doing it all at once, not having to change hands. Fire the smg1 bullets, it's special grenade launch, turn and aim, and then switch weapons instantly, minimizing keyboard key usage and making everything easier. You really just can't do that with Mac mice/mouse pads

[Qwepir]

Macs
Cons:
 Bad for gaming (right click and mouse wheel)

You're an idiot. That is not why macs are bad for gaming, and there are apple mice that have scrollwheels and right click.

[yuki]

 Does not always look pretty
Exceptionally dumb reasoning behind a con.
Macs
Pros:
 Easier to learn how to use
They have an equal learning curve, Windows and OSX are extremely similar. If you can operate one, you can operate the other.
 Shiny!
More like "Looks like a pretentious piece of "futuro" garbage".

 Bad for gaming (right click and mouse wheel)
Default mac mouses have both scrollwheels and right clicking.

[Narkro555]

I've never seen an Apple-made mouse with both a right click button and left click button and a scroll wheel altogether. Making fancy hand movements? Sure. But can you do that all at once?

And I've never seen a person complain about the Mac interface. PC? Yes.

And yes, Apple tends to focus too much on looks then the rest. Hence being 2x more expensive. I got my laptop for 400$. Works great and fast; love its gaming capabilities. The cheapest mac laptop I've seen is 900$

And I'm still pissed off on how they only use Intel chips.

[Placid]

I've never seen an Apple-made mouse with both a right click button and left click button and a scroll wheel altogether. Making fancy hand movements? Sure. But can you do that all at once?

mighty mouse

also, you can press control, alt or command depending on what you keybind to switch between regular click and right click. as for scroll wheel, mighty mouse has it or you can just use twofinger scroll which honestly isn't that hard to do.

[dkamm65]

Cons:
Does not always look pretty

Aesthetics has nothing to do with how well a computer operates. Anyone with a stuffty can buy a nice PC case, it won't make the computer good.

[GhostOfBetaTapes]

Except bisjac is actually making points, you're just saying "I'm right, you're wrong."

Have you read my first post in this topic? It doesn't seem like a lot of people have.

And I'm not saying Bisjac isn't entitled to his opinion, it's that everybody who doesn't have a real complaint is just smashing Mac and it's users for no reason except that the Mac internet user stereotype is "lololololol mac is betur cuz its not PC". I find that stereotype is generally insecure or younger people trying to fit in. I'm not using opinion, I have used desktops and laptops with every type of the Windows Operating System Win 95 and past.  I have also used Macs with Mac OS 8 and up. I have RSS feeds from several dozen tech blogs, and I write my own.

...But if Bisjac gets better treatment than everybody else, I understand. But his attitude is ridiculous.

I've never seen an Apple-made mouse with both a right click button and left click button and a scroll wheel altogether. Making fancy hand movements? Sure. But can you do that all at once?

And I've never seen a person complain about the Mac interface. PC? Yes.

And yes, Apple tends to focus too much on looks then the rest. Hence being 2x more expensive. I got my laptop for 400$. Works great and fast; love its gaming capabilities. The cheapest mac laptop I've seen is 900$

And I'm still pissed off on how they only use Intel chips.

Apple laptops have come down a lot in price recently. A 17" MacBook Pro with the same power as a lower-end Toshiba Qosmio x500 is only $300-$400 more.

mighty mouse

also, you can press control, alt or command depending on what you keybind to switch between regular click and right click. as for scroll wheel, mighty mouse has it or you can just use twofinger scroll which honestly isn't that hard to do.

The Mighty Mouse was discontinued due to a copyright infringement (cartoon character).

[Wynd_Fox]

Windows Pro: Considerably cheaper.
Con: It can be easy to get a virus if you have no idea what you're doing.

Mac Pro: Easier to use with no background knowledge of computers (in my opinion.)
Con: High price.

If she can afford it, Mac is a better choice.

[Bisjac]

stuff

no duo is not dual.

mac users always went on the net going "we have both types! macs run aything and everything so fast!"
no.... they run windows or they run macos. not both at same time. and the other unused processor shuts itself down being unused.
that is "duo" processing.

no one is claiming mac's hardware processor cant dualcore. but that isnt even the debate.

at least read before you reply

[Blockoman]

Oh yes I'm obviously an oblivious money tight redneck. It's obvious because I just find it hilarious when someone tries to point out flaws with Windows but can't without having to find some silly minor detail that doesn't even make a difference.

I'm also money tight because I just spent $1000 on a nice Windows 7 based gaming computer.

I'm also definitely a redneck because I obviously live far in rural western America with no internet whatsoever, and the fact that I actually live in a condominium in Baltimore with fiber optic internet, TV, $3000+ worth of computers in my house in total, $500+ in games and a 55" LED TV totally makes me redneck.

Nice sophisticated bullstuff talk though. It was fun reading it.

$1000? That's how much MY computer cost! Whatever happened to "2x the price of all regular computers?"

Those silly minor details DO make a difference to most people. That's why it's called user-friendly and not tear-your-eyeballs out.

Redneck in this sense was NOT a fat thirty-year-old man living in Alabama who only loves his shotgun.
It meant someone who doesn't give a stuff about anything else but his own opinions, and begins saying "no you're wrong because PCs are  normal, they have been used forever and anything else is stuff"

(Pretend the rest of this post is filled with me bragging about various electronics that I own.)

Futuro garbage? Wow.
Personally, I love how my computer looks. However, that's not the reason I got one. It just adds to the appeal.

--I'm using Windows 7 right now, and it's pretty cool. I just hate how some people can't just understand stuff about Macs.

It's like the same thing with cat and dog people. How many dog people do you know that have ever said "I hate cats."
How many cat people do you know that have ever said "I hate dogs."

Now think about that, but with computers.

[Bisjac]

not liking mac dont mean people dont understand them. the more tech savvy people are, the more hate they will have toward one thing or another.
liking everything is what stupid people do... the kind of idiots that they make commercials for. because they are the only ones dumb enough to make decisions based on commercials.


edit; unrelated to that comment.
windows is actually just as simple minded and safe and impossible to virus and break as a mac.
its called the (UAC), and any smart user instantly hates it and cant wait to disable these training wheels. so you can actually do things on the computer like a man.

mac essentially always has the likeness of this similar thing. and you are stuck with it.

[Blockoman]

not liking mac dont mean people dont understand them. the more tech savvy people are, the more they hate they will have toward one thing or another.
liking everything evenly is what stupid people do.

I mean, they don't understand why they have these "safeguards."

I have played the same game (Half-Life 2) on the same computer. With both Mac and Windows OS.

The Mac version had more BUGS, such as sound zerking out for a second or two, sometimes you would start moving in one direction randomly. But these stopped after a little, and this is Valve's fault for not fixing these things.

However, the Windows version had much more serious issues- randomly crashing, then when the "unexpected error" screen comes up, it freezes. Sometimes just completely freezing, and the only solution is to shut the whole computer off.
I've encountered those problems with Oblivion, as well- an all-Windows game.

So you can go ahead and say that "Actually, Windows is more stable."
I've never felt that my Mac was preventing me from doing something I wanted to- give some examples maybe?

[Bisjac]

well the new HL2 move to mac is a bad example of a mac possible game anyways.
it was designed in all its glory for directX, and that is lost with the mac version. so the game is basically gimped horribly forever.

you couldn't get a fair comparison of the game from both sides as its not really the same game.