The Zeitgeist Movement

[Amade]

Zeitgeist is a stupid idea. I don't have to elaborate on why you're a loving moron, because you should already know why.

And nobody's going to support an idea if you're going to attack them for not agreeing with any points.

Yuki already made the mistaking of using extensive personal attacks as the basis for an argument, I'd advise you not do the same. It doesn't get you any closer to winning an argument. I'm not attacking you (quite the contrary, as a matter of fact), I am rebutting your arguments.

You previously said that Zeitgeist eliminates the government. That's what makes it anarchy.

Zeitgeist does not plan to use absolutely no government - where did I say this?

Elimination of a monetary system makes it a barter system, and barter systems don't work with more than a few thousand people. So, unless you plan on exterminating quite a bit of people, I suggest you really contemplate why we installed a monetary system.

Lack of a monetary system does not result in a barter system. Watch (or read) the second half of Addendum, you'll see what I mean. Though the monetary system was initially good, that of the United states is exceptionally flawed, and even more so with the application of interest.

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[IkeTheGeneric]

Ike, A government system is not flawed, it is the people who run it that end up corrupting and ruining it. If you think about it, the human species has been running off of a communistic system long before any others and if they had not the human race may never have even gotten as advanced they have. Communism works, it's the people that forget it up when they become too greedy for the system to function.

But wouldn't it equal up to the system being flawed if they only way possible to run it currently is with human beings?

Yuki already made the mistaking of using extensive personal attacks as the basis for an argument, I'd advise you not do the same. It doesn't get you any closer to winning an argument. I'm not attacking you (quite the contrary, as a matter of fact), I am rebutting your arguments.

It reads more like you're mad because people don't pay attention to you.

[yuki]

Though the monetary system was initially good, that of the United states is exceptionally flawed, and even more so with the application of interest.

That's not a monetary system, you're arguing against the concept of American banking and capitalism. A monetary system isn't an inherently bad system, you're making the same generalization as I argued against earlier - that being you're attributing human emotion into something inanimate (e.g. the system is "corrupt", which is impossible and incorrect, people are "corrupt").

Yuki already made the mistaking of using extensive personal attacks as the basis for an argument,

No, I didn't. I already told you I wasn't arguing or using ad hominem as a basis for any sort of argument. I was simply insulting you.

Zeitgeist does not plan to use absolutely no government - where did I say this?

It was back a few pages, but I'm short on time and cannot sift.

[Amade]

It reads more like you're mad because people don't pay attention to you.

more ad hominem

A monetary system isn't an inherently bad system, you're making the same generalization as I argued against earlier - that being you're attributing human emotion into something inanimate (e.g. the system is "corrupt", which is impossible and incorrect, people are "corrupt").

I have not called the US economic system "corrupt"; again, show where I said this.

[IkeTheGeneric]

more ad hominem

Oh, stick it.

[zackin5]

I have not called the US economic system "corrupt"; again, show where I said this.

He never said you did, He's just using it as a example.

[Rughugger]

But wouldn't it equal up to the system being flawed if they only way possible to run it currently is with human beings?


It reads more like you're mad because people don't pay attention to you.

It worked just fine when survival of the species was the driving force. It will be again once modern society collapses under it's own greed. So might as well get used to it.

[Littledude]

9/11 was an inside job

/thread

[*Magick* Mage]

civilization will collapse one day in our current state

be it temporary or permanent

i predict american society (mostly the christian portion) to either break down and riot during 2012 or after it, when the apocalypse fails to happen when they realise thier religion, that which they have dedicated thier lives too is a lie

either way america will be severely affected and im sure other countries shall feel the blow as well

lolvat

[Joeboy]

Jesus never said 'ohai 2012 is end of u hawhawhaw', some other cigarette did.

[yuki]

I have not called the US economic system "corrupt"; again, show where I said this.

That was an example. Exempli gratia means "for example".

[*Magick* Mage]

That was an example. Exempli gratia means "for example".

So that's what e.g. stands for. :o

[Rekuddo]

If by "we've all" you mean you, Yuki, and a few posters from the start of the thread, all of which refuse to consider the points presented in the films, then I suppose you have a valid point. However, I'm going to assume that you don't mean that group by "we". While the first Zeitgeist maybe not be the easiest of the three to agree with (I personally don't take everything in it as fact, though without a doubt it raises suspicion about various supposed acts of terrorism), it simply isn't very relevant to the movement. This thread focuses much more on the second two films which aim to point out the fundamental flaws in the way that our society works and how these flaws might be fixed.

I can sit here all day and argue that ZeitGeist is a bad idea

1. Avoid major media such as FOX, CNN, MSNBC and other major media outlets.
Why? People are intelligent enough to figure out what their political beliefs are
2. Get off the energy grid and stop supporting the energy companies who pollute poor countries and annihilate local economies.
So we're going back in time? You do realize monopolies held over power companies are a very good idea that way you don't have other companies equipment interfering with other companies and have a forgeted up infrastructure.
3. Don’t ever join the military for reasons stated above.
Why? The military is a extremely good choice for a career path for a lot of people and works for them.
4. Reject the political system for the illusion of democracy in a monetary system is an insult to our very intelligence.
Again people are pretty intelligent to choose their beliefs.
5. Expose the Fed cartel. Stop supporting the banks. If you have an account, get rid of it, if you own stock, sell it etc.
The banks are not owned by the government. this is a joke, banks are designed to protect our money. its a business
6. Finally, join the movement. We don’t ask for donations or money unless we are in need of funds for a project. As of now we are in a stage of collecting members for our group.
No I refuse to be a part of this "movement"

Those are the standpoints of Zeitgiest stated in the last topic btw.

[Kevdude]

We should blow up all the major credit card companies' headquarters.

[Amade]

That was an example. Exempli gratia means "for example".

Show me an example of what you were accusing me of doing.

@Rekuddo:
"Why? People are intelligent enough to figure out what their political beliefs are"
They make money when people watch them. It's not about their being biased, and the Zeitgeist movement is not saying boycott news altogether.

"So we're going back in time? You do realize monopolies held over power companies are a very good idea that way you don't have other companies equipment interfering with other companies and have a forgeted up infrastructure."
1. No, we are not going back in time. That is about reducing dependence on the electric companies.
2. There is not a monopoly on energy in the United States.

"Why? The military is a extremely good choice for a career path for a lot of people and works for them."
1. If you had watched/read Addendum, it would give you a very good idea why.
2. How is the military an "extremely good choice for a career path"?

"The banks are not owned by the government. this is a joke, banks are designed to protect our money. its a business"
1. This is obvious.
2. Banks are designed to protect their own money and make money for the people it employs and for the bank company itself. Interest.