All Powerful Monotheistic God vs Atheism

[yuki]

So your telling me you can make a 4 sided triangle possible?

Yes, it's called a square. Geometry is a human construct, we create the laws that define what a figure is called and what shapes represent. A triangle with a fourth additional side becomes a square.

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[Man 2]

So agnosticism falls under "Other"?

[Solid]

God made the big bang and then left the universe be.
That's as much religion I believe in.

i used to feel that way, trying to get some religion into my belief of science

then i grew up and accepted that there is no god

[ArchAngel]

So agnosticism falls under "Other"?

Yes so does anything else besides deism.

[SlayerZ99]

Everyone guys just calm down.

[Man 2]

Yes so does anything else besides deism.

How very pro-Deist.

[ArchAngel]

Yes, it's called a square. Geometry is a human construct, we create the laws that define what a figure is called and what shapes represent. A triangle with a fourth additional side becomes a square.

You are not understanding what I am trying to put out, the question was can God make a 4 sided Triangle. No you cannot make a 4 sided triangle because a triangle is already defined in the world as a 3 sided shape.

3 sided shape = 3 sided shape

4 sided shape =/= 3 sided shape

[Blastdown]

You are not understanding what I am trying to put out, the question was can God make a 4 sided Triangle. No you cannot make a 4 sided triangle because a triangle is already defined in the world as a 3 sided shape.

Humans can't, by their own definition.
"all powerful" Gods have limitations?

Really it's just a shape with a name tagged to it.

[ArchAngel]

Humans can't, by their own definition.
"all powerful" Gods have limitations?

Really it's just a shape with a name tagged to it.

I am not talking about the name I am talking about the shape itself.

A common contention or question regarding God’s power and ability is that if God is omnipotent then can He create a stone He cannot move? A key point to make in answering this question is to highlight that ‘Omnipotence’ is misconstrued as ‘all powerful’. What omnipotence really implies is the ability to actualise every affair, rather than raw power. So God being able to “create a stone He cannot move” actually describes an affair that is impossible and meaningless, just like if we were to say “a white black crow” or “a circle triangle” or even an “amphibian mammal”.

[yuki]

You are not understanding what I am trying to put out, the question was can God make a 4 sided Triangle. No you cannot make a 4 sided triangle because a triangle is already defined in the world as a 3 sided shape.

3 sided shape = 3 sided shape

4 sided shape =/= 3 sided shape

Those are laws invented by HUMAN BEINGS. The Triangle did not exist before us so a triangle with 4 sides cannot exist, it is no longer a triangle because it does not follow the rules WE ESTABLISHED to define a figure as a triangle. What part of this are you not getting?

I am not talking about the name I am talking about the shape itself.

A common contention or question regarding God’s power and ability is that if God is omnipotent then can He create a stone He cannot move? A key point to make in answering this question is to highlight that ‘Omnipotence’ is misconstrued as ‘all powerful’. What omnipotence really implies is the ability to actualise every affair, rather than raw power. So God being able to “create a stone He cannot move” actually describes an affair that is impossible and meaningless, just like if we were to say “a white black crow” or “a circle triangle” or even an “amphibian mammal”.

Your example of a paradoxical geometric figure was stupid, but what's more stupid is the brown townogies you followed it with:
Amphibian Mammals do exist. It's called an Otter.
A White-Black Crow would be a Crow with both white and black colors on it.
A Circle-Triangle can't exist because they follow completely different rule sets for their creation, rules that we as human beings invented.

I understand what you're trying to convey; the idea that a god is so powerful that it can create objects with sets of laws that even it cannot break. It's an age-old question and there's no way to answer it realistically, but hypothetically the answer really can only either be "yes" or "no". It's not that complicated.

[ArchAngel]

Those are laws invented by HUMAN BEINGS. The Triangle did not exist before us so a triangle with 4 sides cannot exist, it is no longer a triangle because it does not follow the rules WE ESTABLISHED to define a figure as a triangle. What part of this are you not getting?Your example of a paradoxical geometric figure was stupid, but what's more stupid is the brown townogies you followed it with:
Amphibian Mammals do exist. It's called an Otter.
A White-Black Crow would be a Crow with both white and black colors on it.
A Circle-Triangle can't exist because they follow completely different rule sets for their creation, rules that we as human beings invented.



I understand what you're trying to convey; the idea that a god is so powerful that it can create objects with sets of laws that even it cannot break. It's an age-old question and there's no way to answer it realistically, but hypothetically the answer really can only either be "yes" or "no". It's not that complicated.

It's not a yes or no question. It can be defined as a illogical paradox that may seem logical in the grammar structure in the question but it really is not a logical question, and if God wanted to create the "illogical" object than I guess he would have to change the structure of this universe and the variables that surround it.


Oh man where do I begin?

Look, what I am trying to say is can God make a shape that's 3 sided at the same time 4 sided? By the way humans never defined the sides they just discovered it like everything else. So your saying you can have a crow that is complete black at the same time complete white? Good luck with that.

[yuki]

It's not a yes or no question. It can be defined as a illogical paradox that may seem logical in the grammar structure in the question but it really is not a logical question, and if God wanted to create the "illogical" object than I guess he would have to change the structure of this universe and the variables that surround it.

Stop spewing pseudo-intellectual bullstuff. Nothing of what you're saying is making any sense, and you're not making any sort of point. You're just piecing together words and concepts in an effort to look intelligent, and you're failing miserably.

By the way humans never defined the sides they just discovered it like everything else. So your saying you can have a crow that is complete black at the same time complete white? Good luck with that.

Yes, we "discovered" Geometry written on a stone monolith in the desert. That's how it happened. We just found those books that outlined basics of 2-dimensional geometric figures and their vertices. Of course.

You're not clever. This entire conversation has gone nowhere, I'm done.

[Bisjac]

lol you cant explain a faith or a god by spewing riddles.

this topic is total crap.

[yuki]

This reminds me of those times when you're at a circle and someone says something that is intended to be intelligent and difficult to conceptualize, but in reality is really easy and totally uninteresting.

"HEY GUYS LISTEN WHAT IF AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT GETS HIT BY A UNSTOPPABLE OBJECT"
"...And?"
"DUDES JUST THINK ABOUT THAT"

[ArchAngel]

Stop spewing pseudo-intellectual bullstuff. Nothing of what you're saying is making any sense, and you're not making any sort of point. You're just piecing together words and concepts in an effort to look intelligent, and you're failing miserably.Yes, we "discovered" Geometry written on a stone monolith in the desert. That's how it happened. We just found those books that outlined basics of 2-dimensional geometric figures and their vertices. Of course.

You're not clever. This entire conversation has gone nowhere, I'm done.

How is this Pesudo-intellectual Bullstuff? You can't seem to grasp what I am trying to say, and than you run back home to mommy crying and blaming me and not yourself. Let me clarify


The  Question

Can God Create a Rock that is so powerful that he cannot lift.

(The question may make sense in a grammatical format, but the question in itself is illogical because the quality of omnipotent does not include the quality of failure.)

So your saying that elements and the concept of triangles ( in the real world.) were created  by humans?

This reminds me of those times when you're at a circle and someone says something that is intended to be intelligent and difficult to conceptualize, but in reality is really easy and totally uninteresting.

"HEY GUYS LISTEN WHAT IF AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT GETS HIT BY A UNSTOPPABLE OBJECT"
"...And?"
"DUDES JUST THINK ABOUT THAT"

Neither can exist in a given world.

More clarification just for you..
if such a thing as an irresistible force exists, then no object is immovable, and vice versa. It is logically impossible to have these two entities (a force that cannot be resisted and an object that cannot be moved by any force) in the same universe.

So actually the chap at the circle was asking a very good question.