Author Topic: Planning a governmental system that would work... ever tried it?  (Read 3171 times)

I haven't given it serous thought to the point of mapping things out, but it's like trying to walk a tightrope in an earthquake.

seriously, how the forget to you account for corruption? If there is a way to create a system that won't become corrupt within a few generations with our limited ability to remember how serous past events were (watch a WWII documentary on national socialist deathcamps then look up Goodwins Law) I haven't found it.

Then things like Sheeple, gangs, sociopaths, It's impossible to create systems to deal with the vices that won't inevitable become corrupt, or be corrupt from the start.

anyway, I needed to rant, discuss Political systems I guess.

Its impossible to create a perfect government system because humanity has to always be involved.

That's the conclusion I've come to.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE FORUMS COME IN.

we're smart cookies, we can figure something out.

Inorite?

(I saw that ninja :P)

i was super high when i invented a good system tho

i was super high when i invented a good system tho

Law 1. Smoke weed every day

Law 2. forget yourself with a cactus

Law 3. cna i b doge

Law 34. Give me all your research
« Last Edit: January 29, 2012, 09:48:19 AM by Club559 »

Law 1. Buy me more beer

Law 2. forget yourself with a cactus

Law 3. cna i b doge
we gonna get high off beer man? keep dreaming...

we gonna get high off beer man? keep dreaming...

Not implying to get high off beer. But that is a better idea.

Law 1. Smoke weed every day

Make a governmental system that only does several things. A). Protects Contracts B). Enforce the Constitution, and C). Prints money.Things it shouldn't do A). Aid / Regulate business B). Create public works C). Create a welfare system D). Claim people's property for "A greater good"
« Last Edit: January 29, 2012, 10:10:21 AM by dorkdotdan »

I've thought about this before, and I thought of these forums.
For the most part, these forums are self-regulating, though with the help of Badspot and Co. Bans aren't all that frequent, and those who don't get banned are ostracized and become isolated enough to doubt what they've been doing in most cases.
However, there always are the persistent buggers. That's where the bans come in. Even though I have never doubted the reasoning behind any ban that I have seen (including my own). I'm thankful for this, but I don't think that this is any answer. Badspot is not really a dictator, nor a president. He's more of a god.
He created this entire environment. He is qualified to rule the forums and Blockland by the involvement he has. Nobody has to join this game or the forums, and so they submit to his rule gladly.
Modern-day governments are dictatorships, communist, or republics, though not always true republics.
Dictatorships have the obvious flaw of dissent. The leader forces the country to submit and that almost inevitably leads to violence, though brainwashing the populace is always attempted, sometimes successfully.
Any communism is a little harsh, but livable in my opinion. I don't know enough on the subject to really counter the major flaw of laziness, so I won't insist on it.
Republics are run by idiots.
What I mean by that is that they are run by the people who want to run them the most, and not the people who are most qualified.
To be elected president of the United States, one must campaign intensively. This was not originally the case, but now it is. To campaign intensively, one must be at least reasonably wealthy, well respected, and accomplished politically. The politics, eventually, descend into flinging mud at your opponents. One person makes an allegation, then there is a retaliation, and it continues.
However, people aren't always dumb enough to elect the best flinger. Sometimes the candidate actually does deserve to emerge victorious.

I don't like any of the systems.

So, my current idea is based off of the U.S. government for the most part, but that's the perspective from which I entered the thought process. It's a little vague, but I'm a little vague. The government's main premise would be to disallow campaigning, to a certain extent. Neutral deciders would be found, though they would be eliminated in the case of bias, by whom I have no idea. The candidates would pay an entrance fee of maybe 50-75 dollars, and would be eliminated by personality flaws, IQ, or anything really. Then, for maybe the last ten candidates, people would be given required reading (Essays from the deciders) and then allowed to vote. If you didn't do the reading, you wouldn't be allowed to vote. The votes would be tallied, and the best candidate would be elected. Impeachment would be completely fine, to be done at any time. The judicial branch would remain untouched; I'm fine with all that. The military would have a similarly elected officer, and nobody would be able to skip in any way serving at the very lowest rank to begin. I think I would want there to be some sort of "Council of Morality" that could overturn any decisions, but not make any of their own.

So yeah.
As a means of explanation, I just read the "Why Nerds are Unpopular" topic, and so I'm a little influenced by that at the moment.

chonos govermant

1) everyone must purchase blockland (so they know the history of their government!)
2) you must also own at least 2 cats, if you're allergic, deal with it
3) you must always let your cat go outside, and never spay or neuter it
4) you cannot physically hurt anyone or their cats or else you will be fed to the doges
5) you may only vandalize by using non-toxic paints, any other vandalism is led to being fed to the doges
6) you must make your weekly contribution to feeding the doges (aka taxes)
7) all digital content involving arousing material and contains a cat in any way (cat girl, furries, cats mating, etc) must be removed immediately. Your cats will be offended otherwise which counts as physically hurting them. doges are fine and any other animal thats not a cat or any other feline (they care about their families, no matter how distant)
8) You may not physically hurt your own cats or else you'll be fed to the doges.
9) you may work any job that people will pay you for, as long as you don't hurt cats or people, or produce arousing material of cats.
10) if i find something wrong with you (aka child enthusiast) you will also be fed to the doges. cats get physically hurt when they know you are loveually aroused by children
11) everyone must participate in at least 3 hours of contributing or viewing lolcats each week

I love your idea, I really do.

So, my current idea is based off of the U.S. government for the most part, but that's the perspective from which I entered the thought process. It's a little vague, but I'm a little vague. The government's main premise would be to disallow campaigning, to a certain extent. Neutral deciders would be found, though they would be eliminated in the case of bias, by whom I have no idea. [Perhaps something like the media? Perhaps crowd sourced or something?] The candidates would pay an entrance fee of maybe 50-75 dollars, and would be eliminated by personality flaws, IQ, or anything really [this would have to be defined, in a constitution or something, can't trust people enough to keep it this vague]. Then, for maybe the last ten candidates, people would be given required reading (Essays from the deciders) and then allowed to vote. If you didn't do the reading, you wouldn't be allowed to vote. [maybe have a quiz at the end with the candidates stances on the issues being the answers? [would have to make sure the person making the quizzes is unbiased somehow] The votes would be tallied, and the best candidate would be elected. Impeachment would be completely fine, to be done at any time. The judicial branch would remain untouched; I'm fine with all that. The military would have a similarly elected officer, and nobody would be able to skip in any way serving at the very lowest rank to begin. I think I would want there to be some sort of "Council of Morality" that could overturn any decisions, but not make any of their own. [sounds good, maybe force anyone who wants to command troops or something to have gone through combat? but that might encourage war, so maybe and alternative should be some sort of intensive schooling on the history and tactics of warfare]

and I highlighted some points that might have to be thought out more and added my input.

chonos govermant

1) everyone must purchase blockland (so they know the history of their government!)
2) you must also own at least 2 cats, if you're allergic, deal with it
3) you must always let your cat go outside, and never spay or neuter it
4) you cannot physically hurt anyone or their cats or else you will be fed to the doges
5) you may only vandalize by using non-toxic paints, any other vandalism is led to being fed to the doges
6) you must make your weekly contribution to feeding the doges (aka taxes)
7) all digital content involving arousing material and contains a cat in any way (cat girl, furries, cats mating, etc) must be removed immediately. Your cats will be offended otherwise which counts as physically hurting them. doges are fine and any other animal thats not a cat or any other feline (they care about their families, no matter how distant)
8) You may not physically hurt your own cats or else you'll be fed to the doges.
9) you may work any job that people will pay you for, as long as you don't hurt cats or people, or produce arousing material of cats.
10) if i find something wrong with you (aka child enthusiast) you will also be fed to the doges. cats get physically hurt when they know you are loveually aroused by children
11) everyone must participate in at least 3 hours of contributing or viewing lolcats each week
wow i got each one
except #11

wow i got each one
except #11
so you never hurted anyone b4?