ITT: Kira and Niven being buttbuddies blowing things way the forget out of proportion bending every little detail they can to make it sound like they're in the right and we're in the wrong.
I'm not going to argue anymore, but seriously Niven and Kira are the worst at this game and it's frustrating and annoying playing with them because they complain so much, can't follow simple tasks, and are constantly babied in it.
I think our group of Chris (when he does play), Nathan, HerpaDerp, Rocket, and I (along with sunthiel when possible) is just fine. No one else needs to be in it.