Abortion - Pro-life or Pro-choice

[Molasses]

so uh, how does a scientific approach to laid out time being religious

Events are not set in stone. Everyone has free will. Time is not a set path. But if you believe that all things are set in stone, then that means you are religious. There is no scientific evidence of everything being pre-determined.

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[Böltster]

I honestly feel sorry for you. If you honestly think that ending a persons life before it begins, I feel sorry for you.

They're are no hard facts for this. There is only morals. Nobody can tell the future. You can't actually see what somebody is going to do during their life. There is no reality to uncertainty. The to-be child you are thinking about ending could be the greatest thing in your life. Ultimately, you might die during child birth. Why think of the negative? Thinking negatively never got anyone anywhere.

The only facts are. This fetus may or may not become a child. Beyond that, there is nothing.

it's not a person, infact up to 20 weeks it can't even think (even past that, it's only REM sleep that they count as "thought"), it's about as morally bad as running over a frog.

and yeah, nobody can tell the future, which is why you need to step away from your "they could cure cancer" argument. as i said before, if you want to use that sort of pseudo logic, you might want to launch a vendetta against people who have protected love and don't get pregnant in the first place; because they're equally preventing the development of life with "potential".

and don't feel sorry for me, i get to enjoy great love with my girlfriend without having to worry that we have to have a baby should her pill fail :)

[Harm94]

Abstinence is not fun, you know.

I'm sorry you wish to remain a being who acts on instinct and be irresponsible.

[Pixel]

Events are not set in stone. Everyone has free will. Time is not a set path. But if you believe that all things are set in stone, then that means you are religious. There is no scientific evidence of everything being pre-determined.

You would be the religious one then considering your argument was about how removing a fetus is removing all of its events from history. Instead of seeing it as the fetus is gone and no one will notice because it will never have had the chance to do anything to affect life, you made it sound like all of its actions were already pre-determined and now they will never happen because of the evil abortion.

Also I feel like everyone using abstinence as an option that is at all plausible is using it as an excuse for why they cant get laid.

[PowerDag]

isn't time just a relative theory made by humankind to apply to the length of an object or action's existence?

[Bisjac]

well by the logic of a technical life growing from you, one could claim any individual cells on the body is a separate life form.
while i deem any time before birth, that there is only a singular life (your own). there are laws that dictate WHEN a second life appears. and no, its not usually at conception. depends on your state and country.

[Molasses]

it's not a person, infact up to 20 weeks it can't even think (even past that, it's only REM sleep that they count as "thought"), it's about as morally bad as running over a frog.

and yeah, nobody can tell the future, which is why you need to step away from your "they could cure cancer" argument. as i said before, if you want to use that sort of pseudo logic, you might want to launch a vendetta against people who have protected love and don't get pregnant in the first place; because they're equally preventing the development of life with "potential".

and don't feel sorry for me, i get to enjoy great love with my girlfriend without having to worry that we have to have a baby should her pill fail :)

I'm done arguing with flawed logic. Killing a semi-formed fetus is killing a to-be person.

And saying could is not the same as saying will. I am not predicting the future.

[Bisjac]

I'm done arguing with flawed logic. Killing a semi-formed fetus is killing a to-be person.

And saying could is not the same as saying will. I am not predicting the future.

well thats why we removed your religion from our state XD

[Böltster]

I'm done arguing with flawed logic. Killing a semi-formed fetus is killing a to-be person.

And saying could is not the same as saying will. I am not predicting the future.

but it's not a person, that's the point. me deciding not to get my girlfriend pregant is preventing the development of a living person, is that morally wrong too?

you're using hypothetical futures as a defence. as i said, that same argument can be used to defend either side of this argument

[Name is Unavailable]

Who the forget cares. If someone wants an abortion, let em have it. It doesn't affect you personally in any way.

[Bisjac]

maybe we are preventing possible Riddlers. you should be thanking us

[PowerDag]

maybe we are preventing possible Riddlers. you should be thanking us

i would sig this if i wasn't on my wii

[_Rave_]

You know guys, I think abortions are the way to go.  It prevents future criminals from being born; it's one of the greatest goods a person can do for society.

Use that coat hanger.  Kill that blob of cells.

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maybe we are preventing possible Riddlers. you should be thanking us

Same thoughts bro.

[ultimamax]

If it's less than 16 days since conception, I say that an abortion is fine. After 16 days, when the baby's heart starts beating, I say that it be kept and be put up for adoption at birth.

If it helps, the nerve receptors don't connect correctly until 24 weeks after conception.

[Harm94]

It prevents future criminals from being

Crime will always exsist no matter what.