essay? you aint seen nothin yet. we might hit the post character barrier on this one.
No because the pharmaceutical industry handles pharmaceuticals, not herbs and spices. None of that stuff is regulated by the FDA and therefore isn't a pharmaceutical. If you actually believe in that stuff, you are ridiculously gullible.
The last sentence is just a jab at me, and no loving stuff pharmaceutical industry doesn't handle "herbs and spices." of course it's not regulated by the FDA: they aren't making money off of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination a)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativist_fallacy b)
Read those and then you can understand why your own anecdotal evidence/experience is completely useless without more people being tested.
a) I'm not trying to prove it works here, this isn't a scientific study. However, i have read some studies on acupuncture and it's effectiveness and they were very lacking in this department, which is one of the main problems i noticed with the test, despite it returning that it was "slightly more effective than a placebo"
b) this really sounds like some easy way to discredit testimonials, it also seems to be applied backwards: i'm saying that it may work for game, so why shouldn't he give it a shot? unless you're referring to my claims that the antibiotics didn't work as effectively as the herbs?
Oh man, I wish you'd have spaced that out better is the first thing I can say. This is a mess to reply to.
i don't understand, i spaced it out the same way you spaced this post out? i also broke it down the same way you did?
Well, to start out I'll sum up how your digestive system works really fast. You eat or drink, the fluid enters your stomach. Your stomach begins to break down the food into smaller more manageable pieces. By this I mean big molecules. Of these, there's fructose, glucose, sucrose, etc. These are sugars, carbs are sugars with a carboxyl group attatched iirc. One more step of digestion to snap that off. Anyway, now that you've broken it down, it moves the resulting sludge into your intestines. Liquid gets absorbed through your intestines into your blood stream, solid goes through. The liquid, carrying sugars and other nutrients, then goes through your blood stream and feeds your cells. Whatever is not used by the time your pancreas sorts it out of your blood is then put into your bladder. (This explanation is much longer than I'd wanted it to be, but oh well.) Essentially, regardless of how fresh this vitamin C is, your body will continuously remove it from your blood stream which is why you need to consume it every day. If you flood your system with it, your pancreas will simply let more of it through into your bladder. Hence, you just pee out the extra.
informative description of the digestive system. granted you pee out the extra, but what i'm saying is that there would theoretically be no extra because the body has a deficiency and therefore would need the extra. unless i misread this section, you didn't address that?
I'm not denying that herbal medicine can be effective. Though I have literally not a clue how it helped you, since I don't know what the medicine is called nor how it has antibiotic properties, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you aren't just bullstuffting us as some sort of "evidence." My counter is simply that real medicine is designed to help you. Herbs were not.
i'm not really claiming it as evidence, i'm claiming it as a testimonial in an attempt to back my claims which are surprisingly lacking in evidence. do testimonials count as evidence?
This is my FAVORITE point for people to point out. Simply because it is so, very wrong. Use basic logic here, you're a programmer (or scripter at least) so that should come fairly easily. Unless you believe in some kind of god that designed the plants, and not evolution, my point makes perfect sense. Plants evolved via the same process we did. Weak die. Strong live. That's why many berries are poisonous, and why roses have thorns. It's hard to eat something that kills you, or that makes your mouth bleed and makes it hard to eat for a long time. So, left to their own processes, plants begin to develop these defense mechanisms to, well, defend themselves from things wanting to eat them. So you're taking this highly, highly specialized killing machine and consuming it. That sounds smart.
On the flip side, western medicine is based around the exact opposite. You take potentially harmful substances and make them safe to use. It's pretty much inverted evolution, creating things that are helpful to consume. Have you ever heard of a berry that makes you stronger and faster? Steroids and creatine do. Not saying that it's a smart thing to take steroids, but they support my point. This is essentially the expanded version of my prior comment about do you trust science or nature.
you appear to be generalizing all plants that exist today as being deadly because of natural selection (right phrase?) when they really aren't. in fact, the herbs i took tasted like stuff, but they obviously weren't deadly (at least not in the levels I took) as i am still here today. unless i'm mistaken (which is very possible, i know little of steroids and creatine) is it not true that steroids and creatine are not an herb or otherwise naturally occuring substance? i mean, i know they are made IN the human body, but we're discussing external sources of nutrients here, not exactly just supplements. I trust science, i don't trust the pharmeceutical industry as much.
he lived. HE lived. Someone who has HIV and decides to munch on daisies instead of taking their immune boosting medicine will not be so fortunate. My point is that people drop normal medicine for homeopathic medicine. Which is bad.
i'm not suggesting that anyone drop western medicine. one of the beauties of homeopathic medicine is that you can use it TOGETHER with your western treatment and acheive better results, or perhaps affect symptoms of the western treatment. i really can't generalize this point as i am not a professional in western nor eastern medicine, nor can i say that one treatment fits all in this situation, so, for example, i can't claim that eastern medicine will help with pain caused by western treatments in all circumstances.
Well first off, swallowing a pill or eating some herbs (I assume in your food) are just about equally invasive. For cost, there's medical insurance, and as far as "better" goes, I'll always trust the thing put through rigorous trials is "better" than the thing you dug out of your back yard and fed to me. And, as far as I can see, doctors are good. They are professionals that tell you what will actually help you, instead of back when the plague ruled the world and people tried all kinds of crazy stuff to protect themselves. Spoiler: They didn't work.
i actually drank the herbs in a tea-like thing after boiling them down in water. when i meant less invasive, i was thinking of a western procedure where they remove some organ which is not 'important' as opposed to cur(e?)ing it.
doctors are good, they have been practicing and gaining knowledge for a very long time. eastern medicine has also been in effect for a very long time, and also works. i'm not trying to say its better, i'm trying to say it's an option, and that it shouldn't be shot down because of lack of evidence.
yeah, that stuff during the plague really didn't work too swell. you'll note that not all that crap is still around, and i'm also not pushing it, where it is little beads and mystical statements, i'm referring to herbs and acupuncture. also vitamin c supplements but that claim is falling out the window rather quickly.
I feel like I'm abusing the hr line, which I saw badspot say somewhere not to do, but oh well. I just wanted to say two things.
you used it once? perfectly valid, seperating your counterarguements from new arguments. if you put like 6 of the buggers in a row, that's another story.
First, I want to make sure this argument doesn't escalate into unfriendly territory, and assure you I'm not trying to personally insult you. This is majorly because of:
i realize this now.
Second, I respect you. I have been in your position innumerable times, where literally everyone is against me. But, unlike you, I normally kick the stuff out of them and leave them speechless in their argument against me. But that's because I only argue about things I know a lot about. So, I respect you for doing exactly what I'd do. Break every post up into manageable statements and counter every single one of their points to the best of your ability. I don't like that others are fighting my point for me, I just feel like I'm kicking you when you're down. I much prefer when it's more like a fight scene where I'm Bruce Lee and the bad guys are a circle around me and I just get to walk all over all of their faces.
not too surprised you're redacting your "lost all respect" thing after i kept at it. i don't just keel over in these kinds of things.
i argue very rarely, mostly about things that i know a lot about but sometimes i ramble into the vague territory of things i don't know a lot about, but i feel strongly about. that's when stuff hits the fan - this is one of the latter things. i don't have the resources here in this argument in order to "kick the stuff out of them and leave them speechless." there are other subjects i'm more well versed in which i'm more capable of something of that matter.
breaking the post down is basically just a good method for countering arguments. besides, if i didn't, i would probably forget something.
you're not kicking me when i'm down, i got into this on my own >.< -- this sounds like you're pulling some kind of subconcious stuff about you feeling superior in this argument
other people are supporting my argument also, so i'm not entirely alone, i'm just the most proactive one in this debate. (not a debate if there's no moderator, i just got tired of saying "argument")
that bruce lee line sounds like more subconcious (unintentional?) crap.
sounds like you're countering boltster, who, coincidentally,
is trolling.
