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Gay marriage: Are you for it?

Yes
102 (69.4%)
No
25 (17%)
Indifferent
20 (13.6%)

Total Members Voted: 147

Author Topic: Gay rights opinions?  (Read 12974 times)

against. but they should make their own kind of civil union for gay people to make them happy. i dont want them screwing up marriage
How could gay people marrying affect your marriage?

I think everyone should have to right to marry eachother.

Unless they're related O_o

All because it was done without religious ceremony doesn't mean it's not religiously endorsed.
Yeah, it does. No deity or religion is mentioned when they perform the ceremony. It's entirely irreligious.

How are they entitled to those benefits? The government pays couples to have children, since governments love population growth. Why should they have to pay gay couples to have children when they biologically cannot give the government what they're paying for?
At this point I'm convinced you're either a moron or are just like what my friends said - an attention whore who keeps repeating the same illogical stuff so people will focus on her.

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    Right to benefits while married:
        employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
        per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
        Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
        sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
    Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
        veteran's disability
        Supplemental Security Income
        disability payments for federal employees
        Medicaid
        property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
        income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
        wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
    Joint and family-related rights:
        joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
        joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
        family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
        next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
        custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
        domestic violence intervention
        access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
    Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
    Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
    Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
    Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
    Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
    Court notice of probate proceedings
    Domestic violence protection orders
    Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
    Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
    Funeral and bereavement leave
    Joint adoption and foster care
    Joint tax filing
    Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
    Legal status with stepchildren
    Making spousal medical decisions
    Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
    Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
    Right of survivorship of custodial trust
    Right to change surname upon marriage
    Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
    Right to inheritance of property
    Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
    For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
        Social Security pension
        veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
        survivor benefits for federal employees
        survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
        additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
        $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
        continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
        renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
        continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
        payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
        making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts
All of these are about procreation, obviously.

That's what I've been saying. Christian principles are ingrained in our culture and inevitably affect the course of government. We are not fundamentalist, but to deny the Christian presence in our government is nothing but willing ignorance.
I've never denied it, but it shouldn't be there. Lawmakers should be impartial and not think from a perspective of religion but what about what embodies America's ideals: liberty, freedom, and justice.

They HAVE all the same rights. Both a straight man and a gay man can marry a woman. Neither a straight nor a gay man can marry another man.
Yeah, I'm convinced now. Great, you got me to argue...? You win...?

"If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay man" - Whoopi Goldberg

How could gay people marrying affect your marriage?

christians dont really believe that, but its what they say because any other "reason" would sound like hate speech.

a great pro gay marriage thing to do would be for straight couples to get civil unions instead of "marriages". it would certainly be show of proof how silly and pointless the religion aspect is to the whole thing. and also value gay citizens as equals.

You clearly missed what I was saying.

You at first was implying we are all atheist and I was saying that there is more than just atheist in America.

"America is atheist"
I know now that you didn't mean it that way but being that you wasn't clear it sounded that way.

You're inability to grasp what he is trying to say is quite ludicrous. He isn't saying that the American people are/should be Atheist. He is saying that the government/ruling body of the US in and of itself is Atheist.

They HAVE all the same rights. Both a straight man and a gay man can marry a woman. Neither a straight nor a gay man can marry another man.
I don't even know how to respond properly to this idiocy.

You're inability to grasp what he is trying to say is quite ludicrous. He isn't saying that the American people are/should be Atheist. He is saying that the government/ruling body of the US in and of itself is Atheist.
Someone didn't read what I said...
He said it unclear so I didn't know what he meant, its kind of hard to understand what he means when it says it like that.

I don't even know how to respond properly to this idiocy.

I think this will help.




Someone didn't read what I said...
He said it unclear so I didn't know what he meant, its kind of hard to understand what he means when it says it like that.

I read all of what you said. And what he said was perfectly clear. He never once mentioned anything about the population/people of the United States.

He is saying that the government/ruling body of the US in and of itself is Atheist.
I hope he isn't saying that like it's true or something, cause if so... what a load of horsestuff.

I hope he isn't saying that like it's true or something, cause if so... what a load of horsestuff.
What she meant to say was correct, but yes, she used the wrong word to describe it.
The proper term is secular

Either way, maybe we could drop this specific argument? Dusty already admitted she used the wrong word to describe what she was trying to say; it's been resolved IMO

I hope he isn't saying that like it's true or something, cause if so... what a load of horsestuff.
She just misworded it.

What she meant was Secular.

I hope he isn't saying that like it's true or something, cause if so... what a load of horsestuff.

Whatever word you want to use. Either way the government/ruling body of the US is not/was not/will never be based in religion/founded on religion.

Whatever word you want to use. Either way the government/ruling body of the US is not/was not/will never be based in religion/founded on religion.
Except nobody denied that.

It was just stated that the term wasn't Atheist.