Author Topic: Facebook guy kills dogs for barking - ARGUMENTS  (Read 23660 times)

the difference being that i wouldnt kill a small child because they are a fellow member of my species
ok, that makes sense. but he also implied that nobody should care if someone (for example his mother) was killed by a bear, while they should, regardless of whether the bear was provoked or not

But we are better than everything else. It amuses me that people would actually value the life of a small kitten over an actual human being with more complex thoughts and feelings. It sure is easy for you to focus on wars and murders and torturing people but humanity has done more good than it has bad. We've invented that computer you're using, which has revolutionized the entire world. We've also invented the medicine that was used to vaccinate you as a child and save your life, so that's another one. Lassie didn't do that. And animals don't start wars because they are stupid and do not understand the concept of 'war' or what causes war - moral issues, territorial issues, bad diplomacy. Animals don't deal with any of these things because they don't have the same level of intelligence that humans do. This doesn't mean that they're unimportant or useless, it simply means that a human life is infinitely more valuable.

Other animals don't show the same level of intelligence or sentience that humans do. They can't understand property laws, or language, or emotions, or pain, or anything of the sort. Were it to come down to me having to choose between killing a dog or a person, it would always be the dog simply because human life is far more important. Dogs and cats don't advance medicine with research. Birds and lizards don't create machines, or work in factories, or keep the public safe. They don't have friends or families that will mourn their death and have it scar them emotionally. A human life is just more valuable. We are infinitely more intelligent.
You're making the pathetic attempt to compare a complex organ which we've yet to fully understand on the human mind, let alone any other species available.  You're comparing a single feature of an organism and saying it immediately implies they're better.  Guess what, your average cheetah can run MUCH faster than a human.  By your silly, nitpicked standard, this implies that they're better.

We've created a system that helps determine how we live, we haven't created a universally advanced property, but a mediocre and mathematically basic one.  All life is valuable, and no life is comparably greater.  Lacking the ability to understand that shows an incredible amount of unintelligence.

"Yeah well the color red is better than the color blue because it emitts more light!"

the difference being that i wouldnt kill a small child because they are a fellow member of my species
The human mind has advanced beyond primal instinct.  We no longer assume that our species is the only one which is valuable.  If you do, you, once again, lack an incredible amount of intellect.
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I don't think anyone actually values animals over people, and that people arguing for animal abuse just say that to make people think the person arguing against it is morally incorrect

No, pretty sure running fast isn't the same as intelligence. Running fast doesn't really matter, either, because thanks to human ingenuity we've developed a weapon that has six silver little cheetahs, and they all run faster than the cat does.

I never said any life that  isn't human isn't valuable. I simply said that human life is more valuable, and it is.

We no longer assume that our species is the only one which is valuable.
Oh the rest of the animals are still valuable, just not even remotely in the same way as another human. I don't condone the kind of thing the guy in the OP did, but the people saying he should be killed are phenomally handicapped.

I wouldn't kill him, I'd just take away the thing most dearest to him... That isn't living... Or we could throw him in prison.

I think the animals that should be valued closest to humans are dolphins because monkeys are ugly

No, pretty sure running fast isn't the same as intelligence. Running fast doesn't really matter, either, because thanks to human ingenuity we've developed a weapon that has six silver little cheetahs, and they all run faster than the cat does.

I never said any life that  isn't human isn't valuable. I simply said that human life is more valuable, and it is.
Because we're more intelligent?  How does it make us more valuable?  On what grounds are you creating this argument?  As far as I'm concerned, you lack the basic comprehension to view the perspectives of any other species, therefore you promote a biased view which cannot be used as an argument.

Yeah, but that's a pathetic attempt at a counter-argument so we'll just pretend you never said that.

PS you need to do more than just call me stupid, sound smart, and ask questions I've already answered.

Because we're more intelligent?  How does it make us more valuable?
ummm...

You're making the pathetic attempt to compare a complex organ which we've yet to fully understand on the human mind, let alone any other species available.  You're comparing a single feature of an organism and saying it immediately implies they're better.  Guess what, your average cheetah can run MUCH faster than a human.  By your silly, nitpicked standard, this implies that they're better.

We've created a system that helps determine how we live, we haven't created a universally advanced property, but a mediocre and mathematically basic one.  All life is valuable, and no life is comparably greater.  Lacking the ability to understand that shows an incredible amount of unintelligence.

"Yeah well the color red is better than the color blue because it emitts more light!"
The human mind has advanced beyond primal instinct.  We no longer assume that our species is the only one which is valuable.  If you do, you, once again, lack an incredible amount of intellect.
that was beautiful *tear*

Yeah, but that's a pathetic attempt at a counter-argument so we'll just pretend you never said that.

PS you need more than just calling me stupid, sound smart, and asking questions I've already answered.
I stated a fact, sweetheart.  You do not have the mental capacity to understand how each and every individual mind appropriates knowledge.  You also are unaware of the overall intent promoted by every single species.  This is a counterargument based on fact.

But because you insist on ignoring such a blatant fact, I'll humor you.  What are you basing value on?
« Last Edit: September 24, 2012, 12:30:21 AM by Lalam24 »

Because we're more intelligent?  How does it make us more valuable?
lol

Sounds like strawman to me. 0/10 wouldn't buy from again.

I stated a fact, sweetheart.  You do not have the mental capacity to understand how each and every individual mind appropriates knowledge.  You also are unaware of the overall intent promoted by every single species.  This is a counterargument based on fact.
like I almost feel embarrassed to be on your "side" of this "argument"