One year anniversary --- Syerjchep

[._maxwell23461_.]

Doesn't really, I was just stating his age because mentioning people's age tends to lower their morale and self-confidence.

The way to a man's surrendur is the mind.

Also, unban me, please.

no it doesn'-
ok

you're a stupid 14 year old on the Internet

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[SpitFir3Tornado]

you're loving telling me that my grammar is lacking?! oh wow, learn to type you're your please and why properly.

also from the amount of banning doen has done form griefing, it's pretty clear you shouldn't be doing it, and you must likely did because you were living with me last time.

Oh wait, I just remembered.

I didn't even grief you, the bigwigs did because they thought I was living with you, which I wasn't.

So blame Kojo, Nobot, Pentho etc.

Also, there are no rules against griefing, so why shouldn't I do it?

If DrenDran posted some ruleset, that included 'Do not grief' I'd stop.

[otto-san]

Compilation of most obvious mentions of enabling EE to-date IN THE THREAD:

EE is fantastic why would you ever disable it *tear*

Why in the flying forget would you take out EE

Honestly, EE is the only reason I play Tekkit.

Having access to mass materials makes it a lot less frustrating to play minecraft, being a guy who doesn't particularly enjoy spending hours breaking blocks.

So what if its over powered? It makes things a lot easyer.

The thing is, for me...

 Progressing by gathering tons of resources manually (or by turtle, which is still slow and requires maintenance): Okay, yeah, awesome, got this done, got that done... ugh, when am I going to get to build stuff...

 Progressing by spending around a day gathering resources and then building awesome stuff:
   Tower done. IT'S GLORIOUS. Okay, now for railcraft!

I just have lots of ideas to build things, and I think the constant grinding and gathering inhibits them. Nor is creative mode ever hosted conveniently due to griefing and stuff, so EE's the best I can get. (Not to mention it does make it a little harder; i can sorta get the best of both because I tend to avoid collectors and condensers in favor of the transmutation tablet.)



Although I will admit, monster hunting has its merits.

Here's my take on the EE argument:

EE could be considered cheap. There's no denying that. Items turn into other items. Farming for infinite EMC (or diamonds). But it's also very convenient. Some players like that, some players don't. I think it's a great mod, but it needs to be balanced. I like the idea of banning emc farms/energy collectors. Infinite EMC isn't fair. It's Equivalent Exchange. However I like being able to reallocate EMC from one item to another. It's convenient. I don't want to have to go on long trips to get the same material multiple times. Tekkit is great in that you get to make fantastic contraptions that make your adventure more interesting. And it wouldn't be as interesting without EE. I like being able to get tons of marble and glass and stone without mining on and on or waiting for things to smelt. When managed right EE can take out the boring parts without giving too much power to the player.

Also if you want to ban flying rings I'm totally down with that. Jetpacks are fairer.

Is EE enabled yet?

You know what? i don't care if someone doesn't like EE. if you don't like it don't loving use it.
go dig for hours on end trying to find what you want that's fine by me but i want my loving EE.

Not really.

We don't have nearly enough power to have a mass fabricator on enough for that many iridium plates, and getting more solar arrays is a huge pain because we have to go into mines and wait for rubber and things of the sort, and we can't store lots of power because MFSUs cost so many diamonds and whatnot.

We may make a nuclear reactor, but that'll be a pain. Would help if we had decent means of SUC.

OR EE

JUST PUT EE IN

ENABLE IT

HOW BAD COULD IT BE?

DONT REMOVE stuff

Yes.



Again I request a poll change to a vote for EE. I guarantee an extreme majority vote in favour of it.

Even if you don't like it, you are the host, and your interests concerning this should fall in doing whatever makes your players happy. Within logical bounds of reason that are set by common sense. Obviously you will not grant everyone five nukes because everyone wants it.

Yes.



Again I request a poll change to a vote for EE. I guarantee an extreme majority vote in favour of it.

Even if you don't like it, you are the host, and your interests concerning this should fall in doing whatever makes your players happy. Within logical bounds of reason that are set by common sense. Obviously you will not grant everyone five nukes because everyone wants it.

Drendran you bitch   enable ee
                      cool guy

Condensers are fine, just no collectors.

just enable equivalent exchange

just enable equivalent exchange

Lol

jesus loving christ

or a mod that people have been asking for for pages and pages
or help someone get back to their house(but yet he refunded items and even op'd someone because of grief)

I think it's time you enable Equivalent Exchange.

I think it's time you enable Equivalent Exchange.

loving so much this god damnit

It doesn't, now enable EE.

and then mine, which i separated because i didn't feel they counted the same way

without EE everything is too tedious

it's also, like, one of the biggest things to make tekkit fun

disabling it is like shooting your own foot

it'd be better if you just made a rule for no EMC generators or something.

besides, there are other uses for EE. normal usage of energy condensers, transmutation tablets, armour, weapons, etc.

EE has tons of wonderful things and I severely disagree with the way you're approaching the issue of generating diamonds

I do NOT want to have to spend 95% of my playtime in caves or walking around looking for stuff just because I can't transmute things I need and I keep depleting all the caves I find. On a multiplayer server, everyone would run into this issue, and the end result is unhappy users and a tedious-as-your-mother-talking-on-the-phone-with-her-old-friend-from-high-school-while-you-try-to-get-her-to-sign-a-form game.


Things are very resource-demanding in Tekkit. Even non-EE things. Without EE, doing anything past midgame is essentially poopsack.

There's a reason you don't see many people play "full-on scientist" in Tekkit.

EDIT:I can agree with collector, but condensor?

no no no

nononononononono

EE obeys conservation of matter. that's the whole point of EE (Equivalent Exchange)
the issue lies not with this mod, but with the way it works with other mods.

Here's my attempt at re-creating something I went through last night:

Okay, so I was building a really large room. Dimensions were 16x16x6 (where Z is up like it should be).

I dug all of it out, crafted about three or four gem picks to get the job done. Good. That was fine. A Destruction Catalyst would've made it easier, but it's fine.

Then, it was time to make the walls and floor. I wanted them to be out of stone brick, so I had have (Still haven't done all of it. Got bored of Tekkit somehow and went to play Mafia Madness instead.) to smelt some stone.

In the electric furnace we had (Which was all we had the ability of having at the time--EE being disabled really stunts your progression rate.), it took about seven minutes to smelt a stack of cobblestone.
Not to mention that because we have to manually acquire materials, we can't afford decent power supply, so the power storage keeps running out, and we have to spend more precious materials for progression like coal and redstone to fuel it.

Now let's do some math here.

16x16x6 room. This means the floor and roof are both 256 blocks, and the individual walls are 96 each. This is EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY-SIX stone.

896 / 64 = 14.

Fourteen stacks.

Seven minutes per stack.

Ninety-eight minutes.

Which sounds more fun:

Waiting ninety-eight minutes for 896 stone to smelt and then crafting all of the materials you need
OR
Making just one set of stone bricks, then transmuting the rest of the amount of cobblestone into it

Which sounds less tedious:

Waiting around for seven minutes for a stack of something to smelt with nothing else to do because we don't have the proper materials to progress, and to get them, we'd have to go for hours into mines for the fifth time, and then having to manually repeat the process thirteen times

OR

Waiting about thirty-five seconds to smelt four cobblestone and then turning the remainder of the cobblestone into stone brick (Same EMC value, because they're equal in matter. 4 cobblestone -> 4 stone -> 4 stone brick)


This is not rewarding. This is not fun. This is not good. This is not how gameplay progression should be. This is tedious. This is bad. This is NOT fun. This is NOT good. This is horrible.

Eventually I tried to find something to do to pass the time, but in order to get the job done quickly enough, the smelting process required a good bit of my attention. I was making lamps, and I had to go out in the night to hunt down skeletons, which conveniently seemed to stop spawning right then. So I had to go waaay away from home just to kill some skeletons with no guarantee that I'd get bones when I killed them anyway.

edit:
There is a very apparent majority vote that EE is integral to Tekkit. Not to say you're a bad host, but a host's interest should be to please their playerbase. This is common sense. Happy players, happy server, more players, more popularity, etc.
Your obstinateness shows either that you are unaware of this, or that you simply don't care enough.



edit:
I understand how in some cases, doing things the hard way can be more rewarding, but this is an example of where doing things the hard way is NOT rewarding. It just makes me want to rip my testicles off and kick my dog.
I should probably just be patient, and normally, I could. But when I know there WAS an easier way, and that it was intentionally removed, that gets thrown out of the window.

That's been considered.

The EE one will probably have more people, though.


Also, I should say this here, as I've said a few times ingame:
EMC generators are not the prime example of what EE is for. This is not the only application and EE should not be judged as a whole because of that application.

EE is a very fair mod, and the admittedly overpowered parts of it are balanced due to their high cost.

When the server had a good amount of people in it, I asked if they thought EE being removed had made their experience significantly better or more rewarding.

nobody said yes.

I asked if anyone thought EE was just a big, overpowered, broken mess.

nobody said yes.


You should change the poll soon to see what the players think about EE. Not that I think it'll do anything, you're extremely stubborn about your position on this regardless of any argument we give.

also the ideal mod would change an aspect of how the game works to allow for a different gameplay style, obviously in vanilla minecraft, trading and mining are the ideal (and ONLY) ways to acquire things. Mining gets repetitive and tedious. Trading requires interaction with other humans, and thus, chance for error increases, fairness can be completely done away with, and you are forced to trust more people. I'm probably just paranoid, though.


...
also, ToastHero threw dynamite all over our house. :(

Not really.

We don't have nearly enough power to have a mass fabricator on enough for that many iridium plates, and getting more solar arrays is a huge pain because we have to go into mines and wait for rubber and things of the sort, and we can't store lots of power because MFSUs cost so many diamonds and whatnot.

We may make a nuclear reactor, but that'll be a pain. Would help if we had decent means of SUC.

ugh.

so you take out the main thing people want EE for
no th-that's f-i totally understand.

totally.
makes perf-uncanny.

Yes.



Again I request a poll change to a vote for EE. I guarantee an extreme majority vote in favour of it.

Even if you don't like it, you are the host, and your interests concerning this should fall in doing whatever makes your players happy. Within logical bounds of reason that are set by common sense. Obviously you will not grant everyone five nukes because everyone wants it.

So that's it then.

Everything we worked for.

Everything we've put effort in to get.

Everything we've achieved.

Everything we've earned.

Everything we went through the tedium of doing.

Everything. Gone in an instant.

Now we must repeat our efforts to bear the same fruits.

Vengeance has not been had. And since I cannot avenge upon those responsible, I will direct it to my other related interests.

I simply refuse to rebuild the same way we built. I refuse to bear the redundancy. I refuse.

Means to assist in our efforts are required. They are essential. The same tedium we beared before is not a tedium I, and I'm sure everyone else that will be involved, will not want to bear.

But we will have to bear it, as we have before. And no doubt will have to a third time.

Even now my request will be ignored. It will be understood as nothing to those whom I want to understand as something significant.

Even now it will have no effect. The wall that has only dented will not even crack with this. I am confident in the truth of this.

Ignore me now, and you will only strengthen a greater quake.

Ignore me now, and you will only delay the eruption.

I know I am not alone. I know I am not the only one who has this will. I implore those of you who have been hiding it to now let it thrive and lead you to assist me.

ENABLE EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE

Let us fight to free the world, to do away with tedium, do away with boredom, with grief and uninterested-ness! Let us fight for a world of magic, a world where alchemy and transmutation will lead to all men's happiness!

Soldiers! In the name of EE, let us all unite!

I am a consequentialist. I practice to a ridiculous extent the prediction of events based upon how things are approached and dealt with.

I can tell you right now, from my experience, this approach is not the approach that will sufficiently tend to my need for this vengeance.

The safes are there, but they are empty. They mean nothing to me and act as nothing but a reminder of our past efforts, which spawned their fruit, and had their fruits reaped in a cataclysmic end with fire and chaos.

A reminder of the hardship we faced, which is the same hardship we will have to face.

This is not vengeance. This is a pat on the head and a nonchalant "Everything will be OK."

edit:
Penth being OP won't do anything besides let us build (in a literal sense). He isn't going to rebuild the way you seem to think he will. He's going to want to rebuild the same way we built. Giving him OP is essentially useless in the sense of us rebuilding.




Also, only the last part after "ENABLE EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE" was a movie reference (The Great Dictator).

detriment to the cause

also it's not "the whole point", per se

it's just a really big part of EE2 and a really, and i mean really, useful part.

[SpitFir3Tornado]

no it doesn'-
ok

you're a stupid 14 year old on the Internet

"stupid"
>90 average

[._maxwell23461_.]

Oh wait, I just remembered.

I didn't even grief you, the bigwigs did because they thought I was living with you, which I wasn't.

So blame Kojo, Nobot, Pentho etc.

Also, there are no rules against griefing, so why shouldn't I do it?

If DrenDran posted some ruleset, that included 'Do not grief' I'd stop.

ok I agree, dren post some rules, and it's pretty obvious there is because he's banned for it before.

Also I'm not surprised that nobot did it, he's the biggest friend known to man.

[Axolotl2]

I wish I was old enough to legally rent or even own a server and good bandwidth.

[DrenDran]

Alright, gonna unban spitfire, people voted for it.
Also EE will be enabled.When we use FTB pack.

[._maxwell23461_.]

Alright, gonna unban spitfire, people voted for it.
Also EE will be enabled.When we use FTB pack.

reset the world

[otto-san]

Also EE will be enabled.When we use FTB pack.

Don't nerf anything.

Don't change anything.

Leave it as is.

And keep it like that forever.

pinky swear????

[DrenDran]

Don't nerf anything.

Don't change anything.

Leave it as is.

And keep it like that forever.

pinky swear????

Woah woah woah.
I need to see how it will play in with the game before I make any promises.

[SpitFir3Tornado]

dont bother resetting world

you'll ahve to anyways when you enable FTB

[._maxwell23461_.]

dont bother resetting world

you'll ahve to anyways when you enable FTB

wtf is the point of that mod, it's like tekkit but just more mods, the creator is trying to get a video on his tekkit rip off.

[DrenDran]

wtf is the point of that mod, it's like tekkit but just more mods, the creator is trying to get a video on his tekkit rip off.

e.g. its better

[SpitFir3Tornado]

wtf is the point of that mod, it's like tekkit but just more mods, the creator is trying to get a video on his tekkit rip off.

-.-

just like tekkit other than the fact it's made by the modders, includes more mods, is better put together, better presented and is awesome.

[SpitFir3Tornado]

i still appear to be banned...

unbane plz.