[MEGATHREAD] Personal Computer - Updated builds thanks to Logical Increments

[Nal]

The current setup? That HDD is more than enough.
Or are you questioning hard drive bottleneck? It exists, it's a possibility.

I used to have an old laptop that I upgraded to an ssd and it ran the same how it ran on my computer

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[Blockzillahead]

I used to have an old laptop that I upgraded to an ssd and it ran the same how it ran on my computer

What are you trying to get at?

[Vortex]

hard drive bottlenecking

you have to be kidding.

SSD's have the capability to read/write exponentially faster than a CPU could ever fully use.  7200 and 5400 RPM HDD's have the ability to be slow enough that your CPU is ready to read or write to a file faster than the HDD can locate and do the same task, that's basically what bottlenecking is.

On an $800 build an SSD is /very/ worthwhile, especially to carry your OS on since it is CONSTANTLY reading/writing

[Cut Glass]

7200 RPM, booting Windows, reading/writing files will be a LOT slower than your CPU's ability to read/write

No stuff. Not like that matters anyway. I went a good 4 Months (5 years if you include past computers) on my 7200RPM drive without needing a SSD. Only reason I got it is because I wanted to boot faster and load programs faster and I could afford it. My friend cannot afford much past $650 so ya. SSD is just a perk. Not a essential, stop telling people it'll bottleneck them.

[Blockzillahead]

No stuff. Not like that matters anyway. I went a good 4 Months (5 years if you include past computers) on my 7200RPM drive without needing a SSD. Only reason I got it is because I wanted to boot faster and load programs faster and I could afford it. My friend cannot afford much past $650 so ya. SSD is just a perk. Not a essential, stop telling people it'll bottleneck them.

Well it can bottleneck. Most of today's games, don't have that traditional loading screen anymore, but load as they go. FPS will definitely take a hit and stutter if your HDD is slow and having a hard time loading the game, that's the bottleneck issue here.

[Cut Glass]

Well it can bottleneck. Most of today's games, don't have that traditional loading screen anymore, but load as they go. FPS will definitely take a hit and stutter if your HDD is slow and having a hard time loading the game, that's the bottleneck issue here.

Still, I mean, suggest SSD's to people that have a more flexible budget, not to people who are on a strict budget.

[Vortex]

No stuff. Not like that matters anyway. I went a good 4 Months (5 years if you include past computers) on my 7200RPM drive without needing a SSD. Only reason I got it is because I wanted to boot faster and load programs faster and I could afford it. My friend cannot afford much past $650 so ya. SSD is just a perk. Not a essential, stop telling people it'll bottleneck them.

uh..
You just agreed with me that they have a large performance difference, but you disagree that it's needed on a high budget PC?

You told me $800 for a PC, that's a considerable amount of money for a gaming PC so that usually implies needing an SSD, how about instead of attempting to make /me/ look like a handicap, get a price before telling someone to build a computer.  If I ever had a client walk into our shop and tell me to build something, and I take the time to design a perfect build, then they told me that all the sudden they know what they're talking about so do it this way for less, I'd tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Standard 7200 RPM HDD's can bottleneck a systems read/write times, and in most FPS gaming nowadays loading screens are replacing with realtime loading and saving, meaning having stuff read/write speeds is going to stutter and lower your FPS.  If this was 2008 and you had a loading screen for every level, this would be different.  And yes, a standard 7200 RPM HDD will /not/ keep up with BF3 run on very high during an online game, because bf3 implemented a realtime loading system.  So tell me again that SSD's have no use and were created by somebody for no apparent reason.

[naturemon]

uh..
You just agreed with me that they have a large performance difference, but you disagree that it's needed on a high budget PC?

You told me $800 for a PC, that's a considerable amount of money for a gaming PC so that usually implies needing an SSD, how about instead of attempting to make /me/ look like a handicap, get a price before telling someone to build a computer.  If I ever had a client walk into our shop and tell me to build something, and I take the time to design a perfect build, then they told me that all the sudden they know what they're talking about so do it this way for less, I'd tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Standard 7200 RPM HDD's can bottleneck a systems read/write times, and in most FPS gaming nowadays loading screens are replacing with realtime loading and saving, meaning having stuff read/write speeds is going to stutter and lower your FPS.  If this was 2008 and you had a loading screen for every level, this would be different.  And yes, a standard 7200 RPM HDD will /not/ keep up with BF3 run on very high during an online game, because bf3 implemented a realtime loading system.  So tell me again that SSD's have no use and were created by somebody for no apparent reason.

Well I've had no problems with my HDD on BF3 despite not having an SSD. I forgot what settings I had it on when I last played but they were up there.

So that may not be entirely true. (The bottlenecking, not the loading system)

[Vortex]

Well I've had no problems with my HDD on BF3 despite not having an SSD. I forgot what settings I had it on when I last played but they were up there.

So that may not be entirely true. (The bottlenecking, not the loading system)

You wouldn't know.

Unless you've run a computer with an HDD and that exact same computer with an SSD on the same settings in the same server at the same ping, you wouldn't be able to factually say one or the other.  However there are people who have run tests on realtime loading and saving, and it has been seen that in builds with higher end parts a standard 7220 RPM HDD will cost you about 5 FPS, of course this in a scenario that the entire game basis itself around a constant loading/saving cycle, but in BF3 unless you're online it doesn't happen.

Trust me, I've been around the computer world quite a bit, and I know what I'm saying to be true, I wouldn't be saying it if I wasn't confident in myself.

I was given an $800 budget and it was apparent that that /was/ indeed the budget.  On that budget it is not sensible to boot and run priority applications off a 7200 HDD, it is sensible to buy a low GB SSD and boot from it.

On a $650 budget which is /totally/ different, it is not sensible to invest in an SSD, rather just a better HDD

So don't let it seem like I suggested something for a build that is wasn't reasonable in, if you don't give me an accurate budget don't expect be to build you an accurate PC

[Cut Glass]

You wouldn't know.

Unless you've run a computer with an HDD and that exact same computer with an SSD on the same settings in the same server at the same ping, you wouldn't be able to factually say one or the other.  However there are people who have run tests on realtime loading and saving, and it has been seen that in builds with higher end parts a standard 7220 RPM HDD will cost you about 5 FPS, of course this in a scenario that the entire game basis itself around a constant loading/saving cycle, but in BF3 unless you're online it doesn't happen.

Trust me, I've been around the computer world quite a bit, and I know what I'm saying to be true, I wouldn't be saying it if I wasn't confident in myself.

I was given an $800 budget and it was apparent that that /was/ indeed the budget.  On that budget it is not sensible to boot and run priority applications off a 7200 HDD, it is sensible to buy a low GB SSD and boot from it.

On a $650 budget which is /totally/ different, it is not sensible to invest in an SSD, rather just a better HDD

So don't let it seem like I suggested something for a build that is wasn't reasonable in, if you don't give me an accurate budget don't expect be to build you an accurate PC

Oh loving god. You pretty much just shot yourself in this post. "Well you wouldn't really tell the difference" is what you basically said. Holy stuff, if you can't tell why the forget does it matter?

[Vortex]

Oh loving god. You pretty much just shot yourself in this post. "Well you wouldn't really tell the difference" is what you basically said. Holy stuff, if you can't tell why the forget does it matter?

No, glass, that's not what I'm saying.

You can't compare two things if you haven't done both with no other influential variables, it's simple science.
You have to conduct a correct experiment to be able to come away with correct information.

You'd need to compare a system with and without an SSD to be able to see that an SSD has influential read and write speeds

[Nal]

You wouldn't know.

Unless you've run a computer with an HDD and that exact same computer with an SSD on the same settings in the same server at the same ping, you wouldn't be able to factually say one or the other.  However there are people who have run tests on realtime loading and saving, and it has been seen that in builds with higher end parts a standard 7220 RPM HDD will cost you about 5 FPS, of course this in a scenario that the entire game basis itself around a constant loading/saving cycle, but in BF3 unless you're online it doesn't happen.

Trust me, I've been around the computer world quite a bit, and I know what I'm saying to be true, I wouldn't be saying it if I wasn't confident in myself.

I was given an $800 budget and it was apparent that that /was/ indeed the budget.  On that budget it is not sensible to boot and run priority applications off a 7200 HDD, it is sensible to buy a low GB SSD and boot from it.

On a $650 budget which is /totally/ different, it is not sensible to invest in an SSD, rather just a better HDD

So don't let it seem like I suggested something for a build that is wasn't reasonable in, if you don't give me an accurate budget don't expect be to build you an accurate PC

[Vortex]

oh for forgets sake arguing with you kids is like arguing with a brick wall

go ahead and believe yourself, it's not my computer and I'm not getting paid for it, do what you want lmao

[Cut Glass]

No, glass, that's not what I'm saying.

You can't compare two things if you haven't done both with no other influential variables, it's simple science.
You have to conduct a correct experiment to be able to come away with correct information.

You'd need to compare a system with and without an SSD to be able to see that an SSD has influential read and write speeds

No loving stuff. I used to run my System on a 7200RPM Drive. Now I run it on a 128GB SSD. I didn't see a ton of performance increase when I put BF3/ArmA II on it so I moved them back onto my 7200RPM drive to save SSD space.

oh for forgets sake arguing with you kids is like arguing with a brick wall

go ahead and believe yourself, it's not my computer and I'm not getting paid for it, do what you want lmao

Yola..?

[Vortex]

No loving stuff. I used to run my System on a 7200RPM Drive. Now I run it on a 128GB SSD. I didn't see a ton of performance increase when I put BF3/ArmA II on it so I moved them back onto my 7200RPM drive to save SSD space.

Yola..?

That doesn't matter, there are other influential factors and the fact you most likely still boot from the SSD.

And yeah, that's been pretty obvious for a while now