Jasa's CRP

[420]

Okay, so you weren't cheating the system. But I took action because I believed it was right, and it was more than just an opinion, rather, it was an unwritten rule that everyone should follow. I still feel confident that Jasa will be on my side of this argument.

edit: I can't see why any host would allow a user to hide from the cops, beyond an invincible shield that allows the criminal to sit and wait for his demerits to run out.

again with the edits...  and again, I've never waited out or payed my demerits.

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[Conservative]

Why were you so pissed when I told you that you could not hide in there if you were wanted by the cops, then?

That is exactly what Kalphiter complained about, you had demerits when I first saw you down there, and you were down there with demerits when I found you the last time.

[420]

Well what exactly do you think is gonna happen when you fight him over this? He's an admin, and the fact of the matter is he has the authority to do what he damn well pleases until a higher authority steps in to override his actions. Said higher authority is responsible for interpreting the rules, not you. If he said you're doing something wrong, your choices are "Fight him over it, get banned, and sort it out later," or "Just go with it, and sort it out later." You'd have to be pretty absentminded to choose the former.

Fighting?  Hardly.  As I said before, I was defending myself.  How was I supposed to go with it (deleting events) when I was in jail?  I don't recall you even being on the server while this was going on.

"Fight him over it, get banned, and sort it out later,"

There wasn't any reason for me to believe we'd get banned for defending ourselves.  Out of nowhere he just said something like "I've had enough of you two" and perma'd us both.

[420]

Why were you so pissed when I told you that you could not hide in there if you were wanted by the cops, then?

That is exactly what Kalphiter complained about, you had demerits when I first saw you down there, and you were down there with demerits when I found you the last time.

Both those times you orbed in there, I wasn't even there for more than a few minutes and was shortly after jailed.  You really think I'm going to spend hours and hours waiting off hundreds of demerits, making sure I chat every few minutes to not get kicked for being idle?  Er, okay.

[Penguin/Person]

He's an admin, and the fact of the matter is he has the authority to do what he damn well pleases until a higher authority steps in to override his actions.

uhh, no ROFL. Thats not how it works at all. Sorry that you do not understand how these things work.

Anyways,

Okay, so you weren't cheating the system.

Thanks we know.

I still feel confident that Jasa will be on my side of this argument.

I can't see why any host would allow a user to hide from the cops, beyond an invincible shield that allows the criminal to sit and wait for his demerits to run out.

Jasa may or may not side with you on whether it is right or wrong, but I feel confident that Jasa will side with us on the fact that you went about the whole situation completely wrong and should have just waited and talked to him before making actions. I feel confident that he will agree that you abused your powers as an administrator on the server and banned us for an invalid situation, as well as when I post the multiple screenshots of you, an admin, breaking (therefore not really caring about) the rules. specifically rule 4.

Respect everyone. No unneeded hate or flamin. 1,2,3

You have also done this within 24 hours of you being granted the title of admin. You were a nice guy before you were granted admin. I as well as others feel it best for you, and more importantly the server and its players, that you are relinquished from your administrative position, but that is a matter that can be dealt with after the current situation.

[Conservative]

I felt what I said in the server was perfectly justified. You argued for hours and pushed me to the point of banning you both for a day, allowing us both to wait it out and have Jasa decide.

I did not believe that this was a case in which I should wait for Jasa, since it was so utterly ridiculous.

I do see why you guys believe you were in the right, but I chose to disable your actions while I was on the server at least. As I've dealt with very very similar cases.

I administrated Hankyje's city RP for a while, houses with similar invincible rooms were against unwritten rules there too.

[Sylvanor]

Bishop and MDMA broke the following rule: being unreachable from cops using setplayertransform deny id system. They got the punishment.

I totally support Siba on this.

[420]

I felt what I said in the server was perfectly justified. You argued for hours and pushed me to the point of banning you both for a day, allowing us both to wait it out and have Jasa decide.

I did not believe that this was a case in which I should wait for Jasa, since it was so utterly ridiculous.

I do see why you guys believe you were in the right, but I chose to disable your actions while I was on the server at least. As I've dealt with very very similar cases.

I administrated Hankyje's city RP for a while, houses with similar invincible rooms were against unwritten rules there too.

You should've waited for Jasa before demanding I remove the events.  It was not "hours" either, it was hardly 30 minutes.  Weird you say it was "utterly ridiculous", too, when I said the exact thing about the situation when I asked you many times to simply let Jasa decide what's allowed/not allowed.  And this is Jasa's server, not "Hankyje's".  It doesn't matter what Hankyje's rules are.

[420]

Bishop and MDMA broke the following rule: being unreachable from cops using setplayertransform deny id system. They got the punishment.

I totally support Siba on this.

mind showing me where it says that?
here's the rules again, in case you aren't familiar with them.

Server Rules
Breaking these will result in 1-Mute, 2-Kick, 3-Ban.

1) No spamming chat or excessive caps. 1
2) No abusing bugs. Report all bugs to Jasa. 3
3) No spamming or abusing to lag or break the server. 2,3
4) Respect everyone. No unneeded hate or flaming. 1,2,3
5) No spawn killing or spawn jailing. 2,3
6) No ghost killing or ghost jailing (unless they left to avoid being jailed). 2,3
7) No baiting. This includes walking infront of weapons or standing in the street. 2,3
8) No being annoying. Rapid hammeriing, wanding, painting, etc. 2,3
9) No leaving the city limits to avoid being jailed. 2,3
10) No scamming. Scamming will result in your bank money being reduced. If you were dumb enough to fall for a scam, you may not be refunded. 2,3
11) No abusing trust. 2,3
12) No multiclienting or alting. 2,3

Building Rules
Breaking these will result in 1-Flag, 2-Destroyed Bricks, 3-Destroyed lot, 4-Ban.

1) Place lots inside of the 16*16 grid inside of the city. 3
2) WIP lots can't be inactive for more than 4 days. 1,3
3) Finished lots can't be inactive for more than 8 days. 1,3
4) No box builds. A sloped roof does not count. 1,3
5) No spammy bricks. 1*1*5 walls, 2*1 brick walls, etc. 1,3
6) No more than 1 music brick per city block. 2
7) No excessive emitters, lights, or FX. 2
8) No abusive, spammy, or laggy events. 1,2,3,4
9) No lot reserving. Start building on a lot as soon as you place it. 1,3
10) No street level lots. Your build must be taller than the street. 1,3
11) Industrial lots must be in the industrial area. 3
12) No innapropriate builds. 1,2,3,4
13) No single color builds. 1,3

Misc Rules

1) If a player disconnects to avoid being jailed, you can ghost-jail them next time they spawn.
2) Getting damaged from a vehicle explosion doesn't give anyone demerits. If you see a vehicle on fire, run.
3) It is impossible to pickpocket inside of an admin lot.
4) Admins are not allowed to DM.
5) Admins are not allowed to cheat.
6) Harboring criminals will allow an admin to add demerits to your account.

Last of all, use common sense. If something sounds bad, don't do it.
An admin can ban you for anything reasonable if it's not listed.

[Conservative]

Holy stuff I did not demand you remove the loving events, I was FULLY AWARE you were in jail and I warned at one point, that you remove them once you're out, and then another time after that, not to use it for escaping the demerits.

[Sylvanor]

420. It's common sense.

DEAL WITH IT

[Operator¹]

it was hardly 30 minutes.

That's plenty of time.

[420]

Holy stuff I did not demand you remove the loving events, I was FULLY AWARE you were in jail and I warned at one point, that you remove them once you're out, and then another time after that, not to use it for escaping the demerits.

Woah there, calm down.  I wasn't using it to escape demerits as I have stated many, many times.

420. It's common sense.

http://operachic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c83e69e2017d3cdfb82b970c-320wi

Another person's opinion.  Is it so hard to just let Jasa decide how he wants to run his server?

That's plenty of time.

It's not "HOURS" like siba claims.  He was just as much a part of the debate as me and Bishop.  I told him many times I'd speak with Jasa about the matter when he returned but he'd keep dragging on the conversation.

[Conservative]

12:30 AM - siba: http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=219141.msg6322103#msg6322103
Tuesday, February 05, 2013
4:03 AM - Jetz: Sounds like your exploits in City Roleplaying are going about as well as one would expect from the stereotype of the game.
4:04 AM - siba: W...
4:04 AM - siba: What?
4:04 AM - Jetz: Jasa's server.
4:04 AM - siba: Right, what about it?
4:04 AM - siba: I'm not trying to exploit it.
4:04 AM - siba: I actually enjoy the server.
4:05 AM - Jetz: Wrong definition of "exploits."
4:05 AM - Jetz: Your adventures, escapades, time spent,.
4:05 AM - Jetz: "Huge drama stuffstorm" works too.
4:05 AM - siba: Why do y
4:06 AM - siba: OH.
4:06 AM - siba: Yeah I spent, much much time here, fighting mindless pricks.
4:06 AM - siba: Its actually fun.
4:06 AM - siba: Since I'm an admin, I can actually win.
4:07 AM - Jetz: They're playing chicken against a steamroller.
4:07 AM - siba: Very true.

12:30 AM - siba: http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=219141.msg6322103#msg6322103
Tuesday, February 05, 2013
4:03 AM - Jetz: Sounds like your exploits in City Roleplaying are going about as well as one would expect from the stereotype of the game.

Notice the two different times from where I first sent him the thing on Herecy, and his reply.

The problem with Herecy didn't last NEARLY as long as Bishop and MDMA's argument did.

So, somewhere inbetween 12:30 AM, and 4:03 AM, I was still arguing with them by this time, Herecy's argument ended, and Bishop and MDMA's argument began, possibly lasting as long as 3 hours.

[Devoulard Reborn]

Just a suggestion to 'y'all. Cut the crap and shut up. Let jasa decide whom is right or in the wrong. Getting' real tired of this bitching. Also jas if you'd like to see the screenshots I've got, just Pm me, ask me here or in game. Yours truly- Artifact 23431