Author Topic: Drama Dossier: Zac Conover aka "[JazZ]"  (Read 102919 times)

I actually counted how many 'forgets' that Yola posted, it's currently 25 right now.

Too bad we didn't give any.

HAHAHAHBFKAJNFKADSGlES

Get the forget banned already, Yola. I've seen you break three rules in this single thread.


I doubt 50% of you could curl 20 pounds 25 times, I seriously do, and that's not riding a high horse, that's being honest.

how is that even a benchmark

that's super easy

I really find it funny that you guys call me 'kid' and 'spoiled'.
I like how that's the only point you brought up.
I mean you literally couldn't be more hypocritical.  Your parents pay for your internet, paid for your key, and pay for you to live with them in their house.
I pay for my internet, I paid for all of my keys, and I pay a portion of the rent. Can I call you a kid now?
There are kids in Africa who live in tents and pray they have a bite to eat for the day and clean drinking water.
Irrelevant. If you truly cared, do something about it instead of bringing it up in an argument.
As of the key purchased for the account tied to the forum account "Fission", I've paid for every one of my keys myself, supported by my job that I go to 5/7 days a week.
Congratulovinglations.
I'm 17 years old, older than a good 60% of you, so calling me 'kid' as a belittling term is pretty sad.
It has nothing to do with relative age. It's the fact that you act like a kid. Nothing more nothing less. Half of the people younger than you act more mature, therefore, you're a kid.
I go to the gym at least 5/7 days a week (mostly on days I go to work, go right from to work to the gym).  I consume over 3,000 calories a day and have steadily been gaining over 2 pounds of muscle mass per week.
Irrelevant.
I doubt 50% of you could curl 20 pounds 25 times, I seriously do, and that's not riding a high horse, that's being honest.
Also irrelevant.
And to anyone who says "oh he used to be cool", you're loving handicapped lol.  I have acted the way I do, that is so highly despised by the community, for years.  It's not trolling, it's just my personality.  I've seen a good five posts from people I used to regard as a close acquantence on the computer saying "oh he's such a richard lol".
This I'll agree with. They had to have been loving handicapped to believe someone like you could change.
Pretty funny seeing as you turn your back on someone who's most likely given you a few games, played games with you, and just had good friendly chats; simply because you saw a topic and decided to bandwagon.
Bandwagon? More like finding out you were only putting on a show when you had your personal times with them, most likely for your own entertainment. The fact you bring it up goes to show you only did it so you could bring it up.
So don't call me the prick guys, at least I don't have to fit in with you all to feel good enough about myself that I don't cry myself to sleep.
I don't fit in with them either. But yet I can manage to stick around, not getting flamed, not getting perma-banned, or anything. This is because I'm simply not a richard (to an extent), and I'm not a compulsive liar.
This post wasn't made with any sort of conceitedness in mind,
I doubt that.
simply the fact that when you guys like to post stuff and think that you know me on a personal level, it annoys me.
Yet you do the exact same thing.
None of you besides Adin and a few non-forum-goers actually know who I am outside of this community.
And you don't know who we are outside of this community.
As of my last post, I've gotten 3 calls (2 blocked numbers I'm assuming was you guys) that my family members told me they'd received, plenty of emails, and 2 Facebook messages.
Yeah, that part bothers me and I'll agree with you that it really needs to stop. It goes to show that they aren't any better than you and should be banned as well.
This is not a threat so don't take it as one, it's simply a warning.  If any more of you continue to harass me or my family, I will undoubtedly file harassment charges against you.  This isn't a game, this is my family and I'm honestly sick of it.
And please go through with it.
Eric, thanks for being childish enough to post my personal information to a collaboration of morally forgeted adolescents, simply because you got mad that you couldn't get what you wanted.
All he wanted was you to shut up.
Don't call me childish simply because I asked for something in return for another.
It is childish. You held back on being a good person simply because you desired something for yourself. Something you've already shown that you don't deserve.
I'm not going to do you, a complete asshat, a favor.
And no one should do one for you either.


Thank you for supplying me something completely easy to break down.

See, this is a real response, that I can actually read without wanting to punch the creator in the face.
Thanks Chrono, so let me respond.


-snip because I'd have to tab every single line and I'm lazy and you can simply read his above post-
That's the only point I felt like defending, it's my choice, if you have any questions that need answered ask me and I'll answer.  But I can't defend every single accusation made in this drama, I don't have the time

That's good, if you feel like it, sure.  You wouldn't be a hypocrite, so it wouldn't matter then.

I already posted that I do donate to charity in small amounts, and it is relevant seeing as I'm the 'spoiled' one here

I was posting that because paying for your own stuff usually means you're a pretty responsible person, working a job isn't for the immature friends, I'd get fired pretty fast

The entirety of this post was to point out that I do not indeed act as a child, the select few times I have acted in this manner are mistakes, I'm not more perfect than the rest of you

Again, it was to prove maturity and the fact that I also felt like defending this point.

Read above

No response here really so yeah

I actually still have quite a few friends from Blockland, and I bring it up to reinforce my point, not to throw a gift in their face.

I mean that's good for you, I guess I'm on the other end of the spectrum

It really wasn't, I don't put myself higher than you guys.  I honestly don't.  I can't prove that seeing as it's not possible.

I do not claim to know any of you personally, nor do I use innuendos to get that point across.  Taking educated guesses based on rl photo's of you guys isn't far from an educated guess.

No I don't, nor do I claim to, however you guys do.

Thanks.

I will, that wasn't an empty promise.

He could've easily emailed me saying that he wanted no further contact with me and guess what, I would've stopped.

I'm not a person who strives to be deemed good by society, that's just me, sorry.  I never once claimed to deserve anything.

Never asked for one.

And thank you for making logical points

I mean you literally couldn't be more hypocritical.  Your parents pay for your internet, paid for your key, and pay for you to live with them in their house.  There are kids in Africa who live in tents and pray they have a bite to eat for the day and clean drinking water.
When the starving African children get online and start stirring up trouble and being a nuisance in the community, then I'll acknowledge their relevance in this Drama. Pulling a badly designed "guilt trip" is pathetic and a poor argument. You make yourself seem equally a fool, when you yourself admit to working at a job and then using that money to purchase multiple keys for an online game, when you could give that money to African children.
I'm 17 years old, older than a good 60% of you, so calling me 'kid' as a belittling term is pretty sad.
Throughout this topic you refer to multiple specific members (and even summarise the entire userbase of the forums) as "friends", "ass backward richardforgets" and "morally forgeted adolescents" to quote a few.
You attempt to belittle other people and large groups of people.
You also use the term "bud" multiple times. It is the exact same as using "kid". A "bud" is the young stage of a plant/flower. You're equally trying to belittle someone by calling them small or young or weak.

You can not earn respect by being disrespectful. It does not work that way.
If you so sincerely want to prove yourself to be better than those coming into this topic to flame, then perhaps consider not insulting them back.
You simply reinforce their insults and accusations when you lose your cool and just whinge and shout.
Simply because you have my Instagram, family, and home address doesn't mean you know me, it just means that your pretty creepy.
As of my last post, I've gotten 3 calls (2 blocked numbers I'm assuming was you guys) that my family members told me they'd received, plenty of emails, and 2 Facebook messages.
I won't fight you on this point, because I thoroughly agree.
Many people on these forums are being disgusting and obscene.

Just because the information is "public", and it is, that does not give you the right to use it to contact or insult or threaten his family or his person.
The point that the information is readily available is irrelevant. The local Phone Book is readily available to me and you. You don't use that to insult and threaten people and their families.

Think before you act. You would not want a random stranger trying to contact you.
You also would not want someone you're having a fight/argument with in real life to contact your family/friends. This is the sort of action that when in the "real world" often leads to unnecessary police involvement.

Yola has to acknowledge that the information is public and it's not going to change. There's no way about that.
But everyone else should be mature enough to not harrass someone or their family.
I know you're all very passionate about Blockland, Badspot and the Forums, but petty attacks on them are not a rightful call for the harrassment and mistreatment of another person and their family in real life.
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Don't call me childish simply because I asked for something in return for another...  It wasn't blackmail or anything you'd like to think it was bud, it was asking for something in return for information that you wanted.
I'd like to give my view on this point.
The sub-argument that you did not extort or blackmail Badspot for your Blockland ID's.
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2013-04-09
Subject: One last thing
From: JazZ AI <gallentefederation@gmail.com>

If you want evidence on who has been attacking your forums, I have it.  I've collected it since the first instance of "the storm is coming".  Unless you have it under control.
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2013-04-09
Subject:
From: Blockland Support <Support@blockland.us>

>If you want evidence on who has been attacking your forums, I have it.

Send it.
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   2013-04-10
Subject: One last thing
From: JazZ AI <gallentefederation@gmail.com>

I mean I want something to gain here; you get evidence on who's been attacking your game and I get nothing ?  That doesn't seem very fair.

On a more related note; it hasn't been the same person, one person started it and others continued it.

Let's sum this up;
  • You tell Badspot you have information on a group of people who are attacking his forums.
  • --- This implies that you know who the people are who are attacking the forums.
  • --- In a small Community like Blockland Forums', you highly likely know these people on a personal basis. Likely you chat with them and are friends
  • Badspot asks for you to give the information.
  • --- In your initial message, you never stated any plans to have anything in return
  • You reply that you want your ID's un-banned.
  • --- The fact that you know who these attackers are, and have information upon them, means you know full well what they are doing.
  • --- This means that in refusing to provide the information, you are leaving it so that Badspot's website is still to be attacked
  • --- You know this full well, and you ask for something in return. You are bargaining
  • --- Your "bargaining chip" is the "protection" of Badspot's server in the form of information on attackers.
  • --- Your "negotiation" is one that has the options of "Give me what I want, or attacks will continue".
  • --- This is a threat.
  • --- A threat in bargaining/negotiation is extortion.
  • Whether you see it this way or not, you are extorting Badspot in return for BLID's that were revoked fairly in accordance to the contract you agreed to when purchasing them, following you confessing to maliciously attacking another user's server.

This is the way Badspot and everyone else is seeing this, and it is unacceptable.
It is not proper behaviour.
You have overreacted and made demands following you breaking rules. Badspot has acted fully within the rights of the purchase contract you and him made when you purchased Blockland.

You made a very very big stink over losing accounts when you deserved to lose them.
You have since been an even bigger hypocrite, in that you have repeatedely bought new BLIDs and have used them to complaing about not getting your old ID's back.
Any other normal player would have bought a new BLID (which you claim is easy since you have your own income that can afford it), and then carried on like normal. There is no need to dig up past grievances.

You can not change the fact that you were initially wrong by making a big noise.

Your arguments on your physical characteristics are irrelevant in any discussion on this topic. It only comes off as inflating your ego and boasting. Continuing on about how you can bench x#pounds and others can't is boasting.
It is not something people like.
Whether someone is or is not better at something than me isn't relevant. I don't want to hear them going on about it.

Why you have to make a fuss and be nasty about it all, I do not know.
It's so much easier to just be nice and calm and act normally and follow rules. It takes no effort at all.
You only cause your own problems in trying to be big and mean and scary. You can't get your point across because you come off as the enemy. If you want people to listen to you, it's better to be their friend. Just give it a try, please, for your own sake.

that is a big post

sir dooble stop being so loving logical


I'm pretty sure Zac is just going to continue arguing, even though it's pretty obvious that he's wrong here.

that is a big post

sir dooble stop being so loving logical
it's sir dooble
expect a wall of text in some of his posts

it's sir dooble
expect a wall of text in some of his posts
i do expect it and i'm still surprised every time.

that is a big post

sir dooble stop being so loving logical
dooble dropping bombs
I hope you read it before you comment on it.
I'm not accusing anyone here, because I don't know who they are, but I have (and Chrono did too) mentioned about the people who have been harrassing Yola and his family.

It's not on at all.
There's a lot of petty acts and arguments and trivial going's on from both sides in this topic.
And it's getting unncessarily nasty in places where it really shouldn't for any Drama.

I'm not saying that there isn't anything to argue over, but some simple common sense, respect and manners could do with being applied.

When the starving African children get online and start stirring up trouble and being a nuisance in the community, then I'll acknowledge their relevance in this Drama. Pulling a badly designed "guilt trip" is pathetic and a poor argument. You make yourself seem equally a fool, when you yourself admit to working at a job and then using that money to purchase multiple keys for an online game, when you could give that money to African children.Throughout this topic you refer to multiple specific members (and even summarise the entire userbase of the forums) as "friends", "ass backward richardforgets" and "morally forgeted adolescents" to quote a few.
You attempt to belittle other people and large groups of people.
You also use the term "bud" multiple times. It is the exact same as using "kid". A "bud" is the young stage of a plant/flower. You're equally trying to belittle someone by calling them small or young or weak.

You can not earn respect by being disrespectful. It does not work that way.
If you so sincerely want to prove yourself to be better than those coming into this topic to flame, then perhaps consider not insulting them back.
You simply reinforce their insults and accusations when you lose your cool and just whinge and shout.I won't fight you on this point, because I thoroughly agree.
Many people on these forums are being disgusting and obscene.

Just because the information is "public", and it is, that does not give you the right to use it to contact or insult or threaten his family or his person.
The point that the information is readily available is irrelevant. The local Phone Book is readily available to me and you. You don't use that to insult and threaten people and their families.

Think before you act. You would not want a random stranger trying to contact you.
You also would not want someone you're having a fight/argument with in real life to contact your family/friends. This is the sort of action that when in the "real world" often leads to unnecessary police involvement.

Yola has to acknowledge that the information is public and it's not going to change. There's no way about that.
But everyone else should be mature enough to not harrass someone or their family.
I know you're all very passionate about Blockland, Badspot and the Forums, but petty attacks on them are not a rightful call for the harrassment and mistreatment of another person and their family in real life.


I'd like to give my view on this point.
The sub-argument that you did not extort or blackmail Badspot for your Blockland ID's.
Let's sum this up;
  • You tell Badspot you have information on a group of people who are attacking his forums.
  • --- This implies that you know who the people are who are attacking the forums.
  • --- In a small Community like Blockland Forums', you highly likely know these people on a personal basis. Likely you chat with them and are friends
  • Badspot asks for you to give the information.
  • --- In your initial message, you never stated any plans to have anything in return
  • You reply that you want your ID's un-banned.
  • --- The fact that you know who these attackers are, and have information upon them, means you know full well what they are doing.
  • --- This means that in refusing to provide the information, you are leaving it so that Badspot's website is still to be attacked
  • --- You know this full well, and you ask for something in return. You are bargaining
  • --- Your "bargaining chip" is the "protection" of Badspot's server in the form of information on attackers.
  • --- Your "negotiation" is one that has the options of "Give me what I want, or attacks will continue".
  • --- This is a threat.
  • --- A threat in bargaining/negotiation is extortion.
  • Whether you see it this way or not, you are extorting Badspot in return for BLID's that were revoked fairly in accordance to the contract you agreed to when purchasing them, following you confessing to maliciously attacking another user's server.

This is the way Badspot and everyone else is seeing this, and it is unacceptable.
It is not proper behaviour.
You have overreacted and made demands following you breaking rules. Badspot has acted fully within the rights of the purchase contract you and him made when you purchased Blockland.

You made a very very big stink over losing accounts when you deserved to lose them.
You have since been an even bigger hypocrite, in that you have repeatedely bought new BLIDs and have used them to complaing about not getting your old ID's back.
Any other normal player would have bought a new BLID (which you claim is easy since you have your own income that can afford it), and then carried on like normal. There is no need to dig up past grievances.

You can not change the fact that you were initially wrong by making a big noise.

Your arguments on your physical characteristics are irrelevant in any discussion on this topic. It only comes off as inflating your ego and boasting. Continuing on about how you can bench x#pounds and others can't is boasting.
It is not something people like.
Whether someone is or is not better at something than me isn't relevant. I don't want to hear them going on about it.

Why you have to make a fuss and be nasty about it all, I do not know.
It's so much easier to just be nice and calm and act normally and follow rules. It takes no effort at all.
You only cause your own problems in trying to be big and mean and scary. You can't get your point across because you come off as the enemy. If you want people to listen to you, it's better to be their friend. Just give it a try, please, for your own sake.

You know what, since there are some of you in this community who can provide a logical retort, these posts are going to be the only ones I continue to reply to.
Thanks sir dooble.

So allow me to retort.



I do, and have stated, that I donate to charity.  This doesn't mean that any amount of spending money I allow myself will go to them, but you are correct.  The guilt trip implied by that was uncalled for, I should've used a less cliche instance.

I use vulgar language as my typical vocabulary, that's just me.  It doesn't make me immature nor any less responsible, the term 'curse like a sailor' was born, yet the men implied were most definitely no immature nor irresponsible.  I use bud because it's a native thing for me, and I use it in a friendly context.  There is a difference between "thanks bud" and "you're handicapped bud".

I agree with this point about insulting, so this is my only response.

Appreciate this paragraph, no other response

On the extortion part, let's look at it a different angle.
-I was on Steam and my friend told me that the forums are being DDoS'd
-I start chatting with my friends who have done handicapped stuff like this before asking around to find out what I can
-I find out who it is, and decide to let Badspot I know who's doing it
-I start to realize that I honestly couldn't care less if the forums suffer, seeing as I'd left the community at the time
-I then ask for something in return seeing as if I just give him the information, it'll never make a difference in my life except for losing a friend and having the chance my friend will then attack me

The rest I've taken into notice and will attempt my best to do so.
Thanks

also yola, didn't you clearly state before that you weren't going to spend another penny on the game?