Mic left on after NJ senate meeting reveals they actually DO want your guns.

[Sir Blocksalot]

Our government isn't loving crappy. Anyone who says so is ignorant as forget.

Bureaucracy in any form is slower moving than society is, and it will always be. Things are being done, things have been done, and things will continue to be done.

I was speaking from his perspective, I think the government is fine.

We were the British.

But we didn't want to be, he makes it sound like he doesn't want to be an American, and we should rebel and make a new nation.

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[Dracpot]

That is the most idiotic response to this argument ever.

Do you know why the nation was founded? For political freedom.

What do we have with a republic? Political Freedom.

What took away our political freedom? No guns. Catering to wealth.

So, do you think the wealthy are just going to surrender their special treatment? No. They're going to fight back using dirty, underhanded tactics. The wealthy will do everything they can to stop that, and they can do a whole lot. And wealthy people have been doing shady things like that since the dawn of human civilization, nothing is different today.

That was the British, not our own nation. Besides, times change. Violence was the only option then, but just because it was doesn't mean it has to be now. Destroying the government would lead to anarchy, and a crappy government is better than none at all.

You don't aim to destroy the government, you aim to replace it with representatives that you feel would govern better, or you just break off and form your own nation. American rebels didn't sail to England and occupy the capital and destroy the monarchy.

[Oasis]

So, do you think the wealthy are just going to surrender their special treatment? No. They're going to fight back using dirty, underhanded tactics. The wealthy will do everything they can to stop that, and they can do a whole lot. And wealthy people have been doing shady things like that since the dawn of human civilization, nothing is different today.

You don't aim to destroy the government, you aim to replace it with representatives that you feel would govern better, or you just break off and form your own nation. American rebels didn't sail to England and occupy the capital and destroy the monarchy.

Of course they won't surrender their special treatment, but you'd think the 300+ million other Americans would vote people in to change this.

And no stuff. That's how a republic works.

[Sir Blocksalot]

You don't aim to destroy the government, you aim to replace it with representatives that you feel would govern better, or you just break off and form your own nation. American rebels didn't sail to England and occupy the capital and destroy the monarchy.

Fine, go ahead, kill off Obama and his administration and replace them. Or better yet, just form your own nation. Then you Conservatives could jerk off to your guns, money, and slaves somewhere else.

[Dracpot]

But that's the thing. 300 million Americans could vote to do something that would fix the economy but if it made the rich lose too much money, they would stop it in some way. It has happened, can happen, and likely will happen before everything is said and done.

[Nonnel]

Fine, go ahead, kill off Obama and his administration and replace them. Or better yet, just form your own nation. Then you Conservatives could jerk off to your guns, money, and slaves somewhere else.

um
better idea
how about you liberal jerks go off to cuba and be communists there

[Sir Blocksalot]

But that's the thing. 300 million Americans could vote to do something that would fix the economy but if it made the rich lose too much money, they would stop it in some way. It has happened, can happen, and likely will happen before everything is said and done.

So it's simple, we kill the rich man.

[Dracpot]

Fine, go ahead, kill off Obama and his administration and replace them. Or better yet, just form your own nation. Then you Conservatives could jerk off to your guns, money, and slaves somewhere else.

Nobody is trying to return minorities to slavery. Nobody is trying to make corporations Gods except the corporations themselves. You're too young to realize liberals aren't beacons of hope like you think they are. I used to be incredibly liberal, then I grew up and realized that the world doesn't work that way.

[Oasis]

But that's the thing. 300 million Americans could vote to do something that would fix the economy but if it made the rich lose too much money, they would stop it in some way. It has happened, can happen, and likely will happen before everything is said and done.

No, the problem is that half of those Americans believe that not only should guns be a right but that wealth should never be "punished".

[Tomcat]

The internet and other forms of communication have removed the need for representatives to make decisions on our behalf. We need a direct democracy in place of the Legislature, with the president still obtaining his role of vetoing laws he believes are unjust.

[Dracpot]

No, the problem is that half of those Americans believe that not only should guns be a right but that wealth should never be "punished".

Wealth SHOULD never be punished. People who misuse their wealth to obstruct the republic from reflecting what the people want is what should be punished.

[Sir Blocksalot]

The American dream was success regardless of birth place and wealth. The system needs to encourage progress and working, without forcing you to backstab people to get ahead.

[Oasis]

Wealth SHOULD never be punished. People who misuse their wealth to obstruct the republic from reflecting what the people want is what should be punished.

You're handicapped. I said "punished", by that I meant that they shouldn't be taxed fairly.

[Sir Blocksalot]

The internet and other forms of communication have removed the need for representatives to make decisions on our behalf. We need a direct democracy in place of the Legislature, with the president still obtaining his role of vetoing laws he believes are unjust.

I think this a perfect solution, then it's true majority, and no going around it with money.

[Dracpot]

You're handicapped. I said "punished", by that I meant that they shouldn't be taxed fairly.

Well you should have said that. I thought you meant "punished" as in "all rich people are evil and should be jailed".

And I'm far from handicapped, you don't have to resort to name calling.