NSA PRISM Data Mining Program - What is your opinion?

[Apak]

That was in 2007, yes I agree it's still wrong, but the marathon bombing, mother's day bombing, Newtown Shooting, and some other things happened after 2007, you can kinda see why this is happening.

If this country ends up going too much into chaos and hell, i'm moving to England.

England had riots almost everyday in 2011. Things are not any worse or better there as they are here.

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[Doomonkey]

If you cut the red wire in your internet cable the data won't be sent to NSA PRISM. Neat trick.

Unfortunately there is no red wire.

[Funkadelic]

lol at republicans now having a problem with this stuff, which they supported for the last ten years

comedy gold

[Kalphiter²]

lol at republicans now having a problem with this stuff, which they supported for the last ten years

comedy gold

Oh you, Fox News.

Unfortunately there is no red wire.

OWNED.

[dorkdotdan]

lol at republicans now having a problem with this stuff, which they supported for the last ten years

comedy gold

I thought there were several republicans demanding extradition on Treason and Aiding the Enemy (just like bradley manning) Charges on Ed Snowden

Maybe they're having some platform issues.

[dorkdotdan]

http://news.yahoo.com/edward-snowden-claims-nsa-documents-show-u-hacks-215625790--abc-news-topstories.html

Hey guys Snowden is playing blackmail with more US Hacking info

[Moonstar Akemi]

This is the reason my parents got me a Tracfone a couple years ago. I didn't really begin to start appreciating it until all of this stuff was brought out into the open.

Just ask yourselves this: Are you really okay with some creeper's eyes looking at your girlfriend naked over Skype, that girlfriend that you just might be married to one day, that person that has been a virgin for several years and has never even kissed somebody until you came along? That person who has given you the honor to be the first to see her naked and that you're so protective of that that you would kill anyone who tried to rape her or loveually assault her or even try to see her in a bathing suit?

Yeah, with this information, you won't be the only one looking at your girlfriend naked anymore. You won't be the only person in her life who has seen her naked, and you won't be able to defend her because you don't KNOW who has been watching and seeing parts of your girlfriend that is YOURS and only YOURS to look at. One day, this could escalate into touching, and feeling, and eventually, loveual abuse and rape from government officials in a quiet prison somewhere far away.

Do you really want to let these things happen to your special person in life? This is just an example for you to think about. Most of you probably haven't met this person yet, but just think about it for a moment. Doesn't it make you angry in the slightest?

Privacy matters. What you're doing is letting the perverted little boy in your girlfriend's yard take photos of her in the window while she's undressing in her room and fap to it in his own bedroom at home afterwards.

Privacy MATTERS for reasons other than security.

[Lugnut]

you know that you're not off the grid just cause you have a tracfone right

in fact, some tracEfones work on verizons networks which are the ones explicitly defined in the prism leaks

[Bisjac]

every phone made after 2002 can be tracked by sat. dosnt matter if its ot a smart phone or didnt have any kind of gps feature you could use.
it became industry standard then.

[Night Fox]

lol

what you and several other people have to realize is they don't give a damn about your girlfriend or your skype chats
they don't just watch everyone 24/7
nobody's going to be "creeping" on your girlfriend undressing for you over skype
seriously quit being so paranoid

[dotdot: ultimatum]

I feel the need to quote what I said in a different topic...

This is true. Data collection is performed on everyone and then all that data is archived. Obviously there are not NSA agents who are actively viewing everything that everyone is doing; that's just not possible due to the sheer magnitude of today's digital communications. This isn't new information at all and is being popularized by current events. I seriously believe that the NSA can probably break any asymmetric crypto and very well could have the quantum computing capabilities that could probably to break AES-128. To that end I would bet money that SSL won't save you and Tor is getting more and more infested with government run nodes. Almost no digital communication is secure these days.

All this monitoring is scary because as Snowden said -- it allows for "turn-key tyranny". If whoever is currently in power decides to create a larger government "for national security in light of current events", they can easily go back in time for people they don't like (protesters) and find the dirt on them. Such increases of power historically have ALWAYS been painted as something necessary which will eventually be turned back to normal after whatever crCIA is over; look at the Soviet Union or national socialist Germany. Both of those states said the exact same thing. How would you like it if you were to protest a government clamping down on every facet of life, and then to blackmailed by agents to get your friends. Don't think that this won't happen in the US, it already is.

Even if you have nothing to hide such collection is a form of oppression. If it is not controlled by the population it will eventually suffocate you like a snake. Don't forget that governments are run by regular people like you and I, just the natural progression of power takes both us /and/ them by surprise like a boiled frog. This is something to seriously watch out for as it's yet another sickening thing to be deemed necessary in the name of "terrorism" -- at this point quite literally an eternal enemy to promote a state of war which seemingly won't end.

There are lots of other material to explore this in more depth, here are some I liked:
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/06/why-i-have-nothing-to-hide-is-the-wrong-way-to-think-about-surveillance/
https://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/
http://boingboing.net/2012/11/19/short-documentary-why-privacy.html
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21571468-lenders-are-turning-social-media-assess-borrowers-stat-oil
and lastly, if you can stand reading through it this pretty much dissolves the "I have nothing to hide" fallacy:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565&

I fear that our society has gotten so indoctrinated and used to the idea of being watched or data implicitly being stored quite literally forever or that "they dont care about ME!". This is not a slope that we want to slip down.

I really think that this is one of the only times in history which such intellectual and creative freedom will be available through mediums like the internet. Where the world is going it seems as if in 50 years the internet will be so locked down that things just won't be the same. Keep you freedoms.

Edit: The problem isn't about the immediate problem "oh they can spy on my lovets", but for the future.
Double edit: I'd love some PMs if anyone is interested in discussing this issue, I feel that most people are going to ignore it.

[Harm94]

It's not like the United States is invaded every day or attacked everyday, waste of tax dollars and another violation of our rights. GG indoctrinated sheep.

[dotdot: ultimatum]

When in doubt
just use tor.

The government runs a /lot/ of Tor routing and exit nodes. It's been demonstrated that they can catch people with statistical brown townysis of the traffic that comes in and out of the overlay network. If they really want you, they will get you eventually. At the same time I really have no doubt that Windows probably has some sort of backdoor for keylogging and screenspy among other things available to government employees. They've been accused of it before and in light of recent happenings I really wouldn't be surprised at all. Use open source!

[Harm94]

Before you know it, the people who defended the nsa in this thread will be defending the government when the decide to remove the 1st amendment/create a bill that states you cannot say anything bad about the government.


Obama in 2007: Warrantless wiretaps are un-American and violate our rights.
Obama now: NDAA

[dotdot: ultimatum]

Before you know it, the people who defended the nsa in this thread will be defending the government when the decide to remove the 1st amendment/create a bill that states you cannot say anything bad about the government.

Well you have to realize the age group of most of the people on these forums. They either follow in step with their parents (and probably are ignorant on issues their parents are), don't have an opinion formed, or just don't think that the media couldn't be wrong and doesn't have a vested interest in funding from the military industrial complex (it works in reverse, you know). Obviously I'm not generalizing everyone here.

Aside from age, the problem is that there have been societal memes created from the ubuquitizing of Facebook and other social networks. Security, data ownership, and freedoms have been slowly taken away. As of now people don't care because they're used to their current situation. It's really funny in a sick way considering that this has all happened before with other countries and ended terribly.