Author Topic: The War on GMO (Genetically Modified Organism Foods  (Read 3761 times)

Non-gmo corn is better.

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Did you know that 74,82% of all statistics are made up?

What you got there, my friend, is a prime example.

Where I draw the line, however, is when we start mucking around with the genetic code of the thing manually. Nature has proven itself a lot better at doing that than us.

Nature has had millions of years and literally quadrillions of organisms to experiment on. 99,9% of those experiments failed.
Humans have been manually modifying DNA for about 30 years or so, yet we've already come up with lots of medicine and positive treats in plants and organisms.

I beg to differ; we are a lot better at modifying DNA than nature.

How do you treat diabetes naturally

lol

There is no evidence that GMOs are dangerous to your health. There was one pilot study in France that showed that rats eating GMO corn developed tumors, but that species of rat is prone to spontaneously generating tumors anyway. There's no reason why GMOs would cause health problems anyway because the only difference between a 'GMO' and a regular piece of corn is that one protein is expressed differently.

YayFun, I'm gonna be honest and tell you that you're heading down a really bad path. NaturalNews.com is run by a complete lunatic named Mike Adams who is one of the most prominent but by extension insane conspiracy theorists on the internet. He believes that the entire pharmaceutical industry is controlled by the illuminati and that all pharmaceutical medicine is ineffective and actually causes the diseases they are proven to treat.

If you want a rule of thumb, stay away from naturalnews.com and whale.to because literally everything on those websites is crazy conspiracy-theorist crank nonsense.

There is a valid gripe to be had with GMOs with the whole concept of 'genome patents'. It makes it harder for small-scale farmers to have a business because their fields can become fertilized with the progeny of crops carrying the patented 'GMO' genome. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with GMO crops and foods, but the way they are regulated and patented is unethical.

this should've pretty much ended the thread.


To all you people out there eating pre-processed, throw-it-in-the-microwave food; don't. Let me give you a real world example (or two).
First, one I experienced myself. I normally eat quite healthfully, and have very few health issues. One day, I rode my bike to my aunt's house to spend the night. Got there just fine, hardly broke a sweat. However, after having two to three pre-processed meals at her house, upon my return ride home the next day, I felt pretty terrible.
I won't argue that all pre-processed meals aren't bad for you in many different ways, but this is just stupid.
No loving wonder you felt terrible.
You had three meals. Why?

I can't go and eat 3 all-natural meals and feel perfectly fine. It's your own fault for getting sick in this instance.
You over-consumed. It doesn't matter how fit you are, people are not supposed to do that. There's a reason you start to feel bad, because your body tells you that you have eaten too much.

And yeah, if the meals are processed, they probably don't have the healthiest characteristics to them.
They probably have high sugar, salt and fat contents. That's not a concern normally, assuming you don't eat a lot of them, or you don't eat a lot of other things during the day.
If you eat 3 of them, you've probably taken something like 2.5-3 times your Daily Recommended Allowance of Sugar, Salt and Fat. Probably protein too.

Second case. There's a documentary about this big, diseased dude who ate fast food all the time and had to take tons of medications, and he weighed over 300lbs. You know what he did? Instead of doing the normal tv ad diet, he "fasted" for a month, and consumed nothing but juiced fruits and veggies. Completely raw, completely natural. And you know what? In a month, he had lost a ton of weight, and his medication requirements became lighter as well.
No wonder he was sick, if he just ate fast-food constantly. That's like being surprised that someone who only eats protein shakes happens to be sick.
You can not live solely on 1 type of food, particularly if you are eating it in a massive quantity each day.

We know that Fast-Food is high in sugar, salt and fat.
McDonald's salad has more salt in it than their BigMacs.
If you are eating these regularly, then you're going to feel very sick all the time. And it's no surprise this person weighed 300lbs.
And his medication is almost definitely a result of his obesity. I wouldn't be surprised if he was Diabetic and had high blood pressure, and was prone to coronory diseases.
And if he is like this and still living on fast-food, then of course he's going to need lots of medicine.
Medicine isn't a wonder cure. It won't let you live however you like so long as you're on it. It certainly helps. But it needs a fighting chance. That is why almost all diseases and medicines require a life-style change in order to make them work their best.


The point about the "fasting" is ridiculous.
Just of note, that fasting is probably one of the most dangerous things you can do when trying to lose weight.
Starving yourself is not a good idea. Just because you have fat-reserves does not mean you can live entirely off of those.
Fat will be converted into sugars, which are used for energy. Perfectly fine.
They aren't converted into all the necessary proteins and amino-acids that your body requires to function.

If you just fast, you're often likely to make yourself very sick. You can end up with low-blood sugar, to the extent that you're prone to fainting and even going comatose.
And for a person already on medicine for Obesity, it is certainly not good for you.


And it's also a fair point to say that just living on fruit and vegetables isn't the only way to get fit.
This man could very easily have gotten fit by scrapping all fast-food and living on a balanced and fresh diet of anything.
That could be meals that include meat, fish, fats and sugars. There's a reason that dieticians go on about Dietary Pyramids. All things, Protein, Fat, Sugar, Carbohydrates, Fruit/Vegetable, are greatly important to the body. In varying amounts yes, but still important. Entirely scrapping them is not the best idea in the world.
It's stupid diets like these, where people entirely throw out Carbohydrates or Meat or Sugar that paint a really bad image about how a healthy diet should be.

Anyone can lose weight and become healthy through regular exercise and a balanced diet.
There is no supreme dieting process.

Finally, let's comment on your note about him requiring less medicine.
Well, of course he would. He no longer weighs 300lbs and lives on a diet of fast-food meals.
He's not going to need massive amounts of mediciation to keep control of diseases like Diabetes, or to maintain his weight through steroids.
This story you've thrown up is just painting the obvious. Everyone should know this stuff.
But you shouldn't jump to the conclusion that all fast-food meals or processed foods are pure evil and will make you sick, nor that you have to live on fruit and vegetables only.
Most foods are good in moderation. And being healthy only requires a good spirit towards having a balanced diet and good exercise.

People who come up with bullstuff "get-fit-quick" schemes and want stupid tricks to being healthy are just pathetic and lazy.
Do it properly and there's nothing wrong with it. Don't go giving your money to some dietician talking out of their arse just to charge you a fortune while you painfully starve yourself until you're skinny enough to fit into your jeans.

leave it to dooble to completely dominate everyone who's against his argument with a multi-paragraph response

How do you treat diabetes naturally
lol
exactly you really can't

also yay for dooble being on our side!

How do you treat diabetes naturally

lol

Maybe porkulin or beef insulin maybe. I mean that's pretty natural, it's insulin straight out of an animal. Not as good as insulin today, since it's pretty much genetically human insulin but produced from bacteria. Which still is really natural, since it's still made by organisms. Thought they are GMO organisms, so maybe the anti GMO crowd will hate modern insulin. But I'm cool with it since it keeps me alive.

Wait, so is this the same bike in your avatar?

If so:



Lol, I wish. But nah, just a crappy bmx...

You also have no idea about anything at all Blue.
So, I know nothing because I made an educated guess? Huh, never heard that one before...
I won't argue that all pre-processed meals aren't bad for you in many different ways, but this is just stupid.
No loving wonder you felt terrible.
You had three meals. Why?
I had three meals because I stayed for dinner, breakfast, and lunch. And thanks, but no, I didn't overeat.

As for the documentary; I'm just simply pointing out facts that I heard/saw. And I know not to beleive everything I see. But this was believable.

How do you treat diabetes naturally

lol
Diet and exercise works. But it isn't fun to not eat very many tasty things.

EDIT:
I had three meals because I stayed for dinner, breakfast, and lunch. And thanks, but no, I didn't overeat.
I'm surprised no one mentioned this already. But changing what you eat can make you feel sick, especially if you go from 0 to 3 times in a day. Just like how if you haven't drank milk in a long time, drinking a little bit can make you feel sick.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2013, 11:18:38 AM by Doomonkey »

hippie ill eat what i want

Diet and exercise works. But it isn't fun to not eat very many tasty things.


Well maybe type 2, but then sometimes diet and exercise wouldn't be enough. For type 1 diabetes having a healthy diet and doing tons of exercise won't do stuff. You would either die of organ failure or starve to death, since your body can't actually use anything you eat. It will just consume the fat and muscle in your body.

Where did we go from GMO products to fast food/junk food?