Abortions? Yay or Nay?

[SeventhSandwich]

And this does not apply to the fetus it's self, if you consider it a matireal.

Why not? Carbon and fetuses are both 'materials' for creating human beings that are both unconscious. Why aren't you lobbying for civil rights for firewood?

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[joe411]

I would argue that a fetus should be considered 'materials for forming a human being', seeing as though it's not a functional unit by itself. Treat it like a peptide that hasn't been made into a protein yet.

yes, but if you make another fetus, it won't be the same outcome. You can consider the original one dead, as it was destroyed.

[Menen]

yes, but if you make another fetus, it won't be the same outcome.

I could clone someone. It would be the same person.

[SeventhSandwich]

yes, but if you make another fetus, it won't be the same outcome.

Why does the genealogy matter if we're discussing things that have not yet reached consciousness? Are you pro-life because you want to protect the genetic diversity of the species homo sapien?

[joe411]

I could clone someone. It would be the same person.

even if you did that, it still wouldn't Be the same person. They would have a completely different life.

[Hiok1998]

mecen if you did that, it still wouldn't work. They would have a completely different life.

The outcome is exactly the same because the genetics are still the same. It has had 0 chance to have any personality.

[RagnaTheBroedge]

dude, who even cares if the fetus "feels" or not (heads up: scientifically it does not so bugger off)
people that bring things like morality/feelings/etc. into issues like this are dumb as rocks
and the idea of "a potential human being" is dumb as hell too for a bunch of insanely metaphysical reasons that i can't be bothered to sum up right now beyond the idea of "too bad"

[SeventhSandwich]

I could clone someone. It would be the same person.

You do realize that human personality is a construct only partially based on genetics? Most of what makes up human behavior is learned behavior passed down through members of society. We have a word for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

[Doomonkey]

A piece of human DNA is not the same thing as a human. Sure, the organization of atoms is more chemically similar to a human cell than, say, amorphous carbon, but that shouldn't change anything because the strip of DNA is not conscious. Does this explain my philosophy on abortion better?

A fetus is not a piece of DNA. A fetus is a bunch of cells multiplying. It is more than just the organization of atoms. I think you are placing a fetus on a lower totem than it belongs.

[joe411]

Why does the genealogy matter if we're discussing things that have not yet reached consciousness? Are you pro-life because you want to protect the genetic diversity of the species homo sapien?

Expanding your vocabulary can make anyone appear more intelligent, a common technique used in quarrels.

[Doomonkey]

A nice piece of "I couldn't think of a valid response, so I criticized him on something unrelated."

[SeventhSandwich]

A fetus is not a piece of DNA. A fetus is a bunch of cells multiplying.

When did I ever say that? Also, a fetus is not just a 'bunch of cells'. A fetus is the stage in prenatal development when organ systems, bones, and organized human tissue form. Fetuses are far more complicated than a 'bunch of cells'. I think you're looking for the word 'zygote' or possibly 'blastocyst'.

I didn't even use a single 'vocab word' in that sentence. You're just dumb.

A fetus is not a piece of DNA. A fetus is a bunch of cells multiplying. It is more than just the organization of atoms. I think you are placing a fetus on a lower totem than it belongs.

I don't think that a 'totem pole' exists. Civil rights shouldn't be given to molecules based on the chance they will eventually become human.

[Momentum]

lets get political

[RagnaTheBroedge]

yeah, you're an idiot
shoo

[Harm94]

Is it that hard to use a tube of spermicide? As far as I see both sides are flawed.