Abortions? Yay or Nay?

[Harm94]

well, selfish overly self-entitled atheists are always a nice addition to a good joke

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[DrenDran]

well, selfish overly self-entitled atheists are always a nice addition to a good joke

Hmm?

[SeventhSandwich]

well, selfish overly self-entitled atheists are always a nice addition to a good joke

What does atheism have to do with that?

[Dillpickle]

What does atheism have to do with that?

Atheism, as I asked what his religion only for the sake of curiosity, and if he answered I'd just shove it aside anyways, is a factor when debating whether civil morals should exist or not.

Example; Christians believe that life starts at conceptions.

If you're a christian and you find abortion okay, that's a little 'woah' factor.

[Doomonkey]

Christians believe that life starts at conceptions.

Maybe in general, but that is not a foundational belief.

[SeventhSandwich]

Atheism, as I asked what his religion only for the sake of curiosity, and if he answered I'd just shove it aside anyways, is a factor when debating whether civil morals should exist or not.

Example; Christians believe that life starts at conceptions.

If you're a christian and you find abortion okay, that's a little 'woah' factor.

I don't think religious morals should impact people's civil rights at all. If you believe abortion is murder, you need to suspend that belief when voting so that we can keep a secular nation.

[xSetrox]

Why can't you just give the baby up for adoption?
I voted Nay.

[Dillpickle]

Maybe in general, but that is not a foundational belief.

Exactly, what I should have added.
Someone said that the Bible speaks nothing about adoption, but in a general sense it says that God has a plan for everyone, so aborting someone would then "cancel" that plan.

I don't think religious morals should impact people's civil rights at all. If you believe abortion is murder, you need to suspend that belief when voting so that we can keep a secular nation.

Tell religious people that, please.

Why can't you just give the baby up for adoption?
I voted Nay.

Because a premature birth could harm the mother, so there wouldn't be a chance for adoption if the baby and the mother died.

[RagnaTheBroedge]

Maybe in general, but that is not a foundational belief.

i don't imagine there's a single dang thing in the bible about abortions because it wasn't even viable at the time of the lawd
they pretty much have to make it up as they go along

Someone said that the Bible speaks nothing about adoption, but in a general sense it says that God has a plan for everyone, so aborting someone would then "cancel" that plan.

this great biblical paradox always gives me a laugh
if god were totally omniscient, wouldn't he know that a baby was going to be adopted
humans oughtn't be able to change what god wills, after all, right
the abortion must therefore be in god's plan if it happens

[Harm94]

Why can't you just give the baby up for adoption?
I voted Nay.

pro-choice people: because orphanages aren't magic places where kids picked up and will live terrible lives.

[rockslide26]

i don't imagine there's a single dang thing in the bible about abortions because it wasn't even viable at the time of the lawd
they pretty much have to make it up as they go along

the Bible actually includes instructions for performing an abortion-like ceremony on cheating wives

[Dillpickle]

the Bible actually includes instructions for performing an abortion-like ceremony on cheating wives

Right cause in the Bible divorce will charge you with death, cheating on a wife will make the man have to be stoned, and if a woman cheats she's put to death.
accurate.

[Rykuta]

I think what we're all forgetting is what happens when abortions go wrong.

We get evil Fetus Masterminds bent on beating the crap out of cool people for no reason. Thanks pro-choice!

[Harm94]

there is name calling and then there is logically identifying someone as being completely without logic, for which the word is "moron"

So are doing ad hominem attacks?

[sir dooble]

Example; Christians believe that life starts at conceptions.

That's a bit of a generalisation.

Not all christians believe that.
It's certainly a key belief within Roman Catholocism, hence their disapproval of contraception and abortion.

Not all denominations of christianity believe life begins at conception.
That's also true of christians who don't belong to any 1 specific denomination.


There are many who believe that life begins when the child is born, or when the child is capable of living outside of the womb, or when the foetus first develops a heart, brain or spinal cord.


While religion does provide a basis for a persons view upon whether abortions are acceptable or not, the more prominent belief to question is at what point in embryological development does someone believe life begins at.
If you are of the view that abortion is the killing of a human, then that view is incredibly dependant upon when you believe the embryo/foetus is officially living, and is therefore human.

i don't imagine there's a single dang thing in the bible about abortions because it wasn't even viable at the time of the lawd

I'm pretty sure that the common passages that are used to defend against abortion are ones used for other such things.
Including the sanctity of life;
"Genesis 1:27   So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
"Deuteronomy 30:19   This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life..."

Aswell as the sanctity of a man's seed;
" Genesis 38:9-10
But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother. And what he did was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also. "