Nations at War - Closing Time!

[Swat 3]

what is this

mormon

utahn

what

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[SirLancelot7]

Ok this is ridiculous.  My people are not going to randomly start going crazy, let alone my Prophet.  Imagine if I had said this:  "E Erinaum's leader starts acting crazy and decides to ban drinking water.  All citizens die of thirst or go to jail for drinking water."  Ridiculous.  Swat, you need to cut the crap and just RP fairly.  You are not invincible, you can not have everything go your way.  

And don't tell me this was some "secret project" you've worked on for years, because you already had given me every single secret project you had when you left.  There is no way you developed this magic technology in just the years since you came back.  Plethora, you have got to put an end to this crappy roleplaying, or else the entire thing will be worthless.  What is a Nations RP if Swat can infect every single leader with mind control powers at the flip of a switch??

Abdullahians begin to riot.

You're not a part of this RP anymore, and they are not your citizens.  There are no riots going on.  Stop being Swat's slut.

Citizens around the borders of what was once Yaslovakia, which became Erinaum, and is now part of the UoU grow flustered from all the rioting going on. Some citizens who manage to get past the border begin setting up small-time propaganda in poor parts of town before fleeing back to Yaslovakia.

Decept, Utah is currently in the process of returning Yaslovakian land that was kept by Erinaum and Abdullahi after the Fascist War, so I am pretty sure your citizens would not be mad at UoU lol.

You just exterminated civilians on vacation in UOU.  Shame on you.

Wrong about that.
Wrong about everything.

We didn't kill anyone, so get your propoganda right.  And we certainly didn't detain any civilians vacationing in our country.  We tested and proved without a doubt that all of them were spies.  And since you said I was wrong before, I will reiterate:  None of the spies were Mormon or Utahn.  Stop making stuff up.

Riots begin to spread all over E Erinaum, enraged about how they have dealt with the conflict, believing that they have been disrespectful acting so deceitfully.  

Everything begins to clear up in N UoU, with riots no longer taking place, and 98.8% of people happy about their country and situation.

The Prophet comes out at the 256th General Conference and gives a message saying that he appreciates everyone making it through this trial, and that they will be blessed for their struggles.  He also reiterates how happy he is to have N UoU officially part of the great nation!  Mormons worldwide view the conference and rejoice at the Prophet's words.

what is this

mormon

utahn

what

Mormon = UOU's religion.  We still allow free religion, but the government is run by the Prophet, and we do have a class on the church taught in school.

Utahn:  If you are living in United Order of Utah, you are a Utahn.  It is just a demonym.

[Plethora]

Swat, it's fine to keep your secret projects secret, and to protect them from metagaming, but once you use them in the global arena you can't just say that crap happens because of the reason is too secret to be discussed; maybe for a little while, but not if you do something big or on a big scale (eg. affecting world leaders).  I can't say that all of the people in Erinaum with black hair die suddenly of a brain aneurysm and not tell you that I have a high powered microwave emitter hovering above your nation in low orbit and it's been firing gamma rays down on your people for the last fifty years - purely hypothetical by the way.

Whether you agree with me or not, do you at least see the logic and level of fairness behind this?

Personally, I'd like some concrete evidence so that if you're correct about this being real (Yes, I doubt it), the scope can be known and we can end this whole dispute once and for all.

[SWAT One]

Ok this is ridiculous.  My people are not going to randomly start going crazy, let alone my Prophet.  Imagine if I had said this:  "E Erinaum's leader starts acting crazy and decides to ban drinking water.  All citizens die of thirst or go to jail for drinking water."  Ridiculous.  Swat, you need to cut the crap and just RP fairly.  You are not invincible, you can not have everything go your way.  You're the one to talk.  I am allowed by right to incite revolutions.  You can't deny me that.

And don't tell me this was some "secret project" you've worked on for years, because you already had given me every single secret project you had when you left.  There is no way you developed this magic technology in just the years since you came back.  Plethora, you have got to put an end to this crappy roleplaying, or else the entire thing will be worthless.  What is a Nations RP if Swat can infect every single leader with mind control powers at the flip of a switch??
I'm not flipping any magic switches.

You're not a part of this RP anymore, and they are not your citizens.  There are no riots going on.  Stop being Swat's slut.
He can't be denied the ability to rejoin unless he is banned from the RP.  The AC didn't deny it, and so can't you.  You're not the OP.

Decept, Utah is currently in the process of returning Yaslovakian land that was kept by Erinaum and Abdullahi after the Fascist War, so I am pretty sure your citizens would not be mad at UoU lol.
They can hate your ideologies if they want to.

Wrong about that.
Wrong about everything.
This is what I'm talking about.  You say I'm wrong and yet you can't back it up except with flawed circumstantial assumptions.

We didn't kill anyone, so get your propoganda right.  And we certainly didn't detain any civilians vacationing in our country.  We tested and proved without a doubt that all of them were spies.  And since you said I was wrong before, I will reiterate:  None of the spies were Mormon or Utahn.  Stop making stuff up.
You didn't prove that they were spies.  There were no E. Erinamese spies deployed in UOU.  Your argument is invalid.

Riots begin to spread all over E Erinaum, enraged about how they have dealt with the conflict, believing that they have been disrespectful acting so deceitfully.
You're the offender here.  You have upset both Erinaums in a multitude of occasions that I will not repeat because you have cheese in your eyes and can't read what I say.

Everything begins to clear up in N UoU, with riots no longer taking place, and 98.8% of people happy about their country and situation.
Statistics and real world examples from across time carry the same results and stand against you.  Stand up and roleplay like an adult.

The Prophet comes out at the 256th General Conference and gives a message saying that he appreciates everyone making it through this trial, and that they will be blessed for their struggles.  He also reiterates how happy he is to have N UoU officially part of the great nation!  Mormons worldwide view the conference and rejoice at the Prophet's words.


Mormon = UOU's religion.  We still allow free religion, but the government is run by the Prophet, and we do have a class on the church taught in school.

Utahn:  If you are living in United Order of Utah, you are a Utahn.  It is just a demonym.

Swat, it's fine to keep your secret projects secret, and to protect them from metagaming, but once you use them in the global arena you can't just say that crap happens because of the reason is too secret to be discussed; maybe for a little while, but not if you do something big or on a big scale (eg. affecting world leaders).  I can't say that all of the people in Erinaum with black hair die suddenly of a brain aneurysm and not tell you that I have a high powered microwave emitter hovering above your nation in low orbit and it's been firing gamma rays down on your people for the last fifty years - purely hypothetical by the way.

Whether you agree with me or not, do you at least see the logic and level of fairness behind this?

Personally, I'd like some concrete evidence so that if you're correct about this being real (Yes, I doubt it), the scope can be known and we can end this whole dispute once and for all.

Fair enough, but you are held by your own rules, aye?

The ERFE labels WRFE as a rogue state.

[Swat 3]

Swat... just stop.

[SirLancelot7]

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Hey nice job picking out the itty bitty flaws in my argument, if that.  Stop ignoring all the meat of the issue.  You keep teetering around answering the issue that you are a terrible RPer who thinks they have super powers.

[grunterdb1951]

Hey nice job picking out the itty bitty flaws in my argument, if that.  Sup ignoring all the meat of the issue.  You keep teetering around answering the issue that you are a terrible RPer who thinks they have super powers.

You know, you're really good at sounding like a cunt. Don't mind me, just tossing in my opinion here. Insulting someones roleplaying abilities, (and it's funny because, he's better than you.)isn't making you look good.

[SWAT One]

That's just a personal jab.

1.  I didn't have spies in UOU, nor did I have any intent to send them.
2.  You claim you found spies and eliminated them without beginning investigation.
3.  I say I never sent spies, and the E. Erinamese that you had captured were vacationing civilians falsely accused of being spies.
4.  You deny it and say that you tried them and found them guilty.

Honestly, you just deny every single thing I'm saying.  Do you realize that you're being a major hypocrite when you think I'm invincible and put on this holier-than-thou attitude?

You then claimed to start rebellions all over Erinaum when you misunderstand that riots in UOU are mostly localized, and have a reasonable cause to them.

The meat of the issue is that you're not roleplaying it out yourself.

[SirLancelot7]

Ok let's just review the timeline here:

You ragequit
You give me all your land and secret plans
Everything integrates well and things are progressing quite smoothly.
You come back
I kindly return all of E Erinaum to you
You get pissed off because you want more land
You suddenly declare revolts and riots are mass spread across N UoU.
I say that does not happen, as everything has gone fine for 20 years.
You ignore that, and say that everyone hates UoU and the Prophet
I think that the only way this would be possible would be spies spreading deceit through the country.
You say i didn't investigate into it at all, when I clearly stated that investigations were ongoing.
You say I kill a ton of civilians, when I did not kill civilians nor even jail them.
You say that it had to have been civilians because you aren't using spies, you are using magical mind control abilities
You somehow have the ability to infect my nation's leader with this magic
I call BS.
You say I am insulting you and your honor by throwing a personal jab at you, when I just want the issue to be fixed.
The meat of the issue is that you're using some magical unrealistic ability that can take over the world, when you haven't even been back for a decade.

I deny what you say because you are saying a load of crap.

[SWAT One]

Ok let's just review the timeline here:

You ragequit
You give me all your land and secret plans
I told you that it was not permanent.
Everything integrates well and things are progressing quite smoothly.
No involuntary cultural absorbtion happens smoothly.
You come back
I kindly return all of E Erinaum to you
You get pissed off because you want more land
I get pissed off because I had asked for it in the first place at the same time I asked for E. Erinaum.
You suddenly declare revolts and riots are mass spread across N UoU.
Localized.  Propaganda is showing up and people are going missing.  I never said any riots occurred outside of the W. Erinamese region and Abdullahi (blazer gave me permission).
I say that does not happen, as everything has gone fine for 20 years.
DINGDINGDING here's the problem.  You can't deny it happens because it's defined in the OP as a right I have to start revolts.
You ignore that, and say that everyone hates UoU and the Prophet.  I said that a large portion of W. Erinaum hates UOU and the Prophet.
I think that the only way this would be possible would be spies spreading deceit through the country.
They're not East Erinamese, as you had assumed.  However, the "spies" of which you speak are nonexistent.
You say i didn't investigate into it at all, when I clearly stated that investigations were ongoing.
Where?
You say I kill a ton of civilians, when I did not kill civilians nor even jail them.
To eradicate means to utterly destroy them and wipe them out.
You say that it had to have been civilians because you aren't using spies, you are using magical mind control abilities
You somehow have the ability to infect my nation's leader with this magic
I call BS.  Okay.  Makes no difference.

You say I am insulting you and your honor by throwing a personal jab at you, when I just want the issue to be fixed.
The meat of the issue is that you're using some magical unrealistic ability that can take over the world, when you haven't even been back for a decade.

That unrealistic magic voodoo weapon of which you speak is technology from the 1970s.

I deny what you say because you are saying a load of crap.

You think that Erinaum fell into some kind of dark ages.  That is untrue.  If you claim that Utah improved upon society, then they must have continued research, and Erinaum would have profited from that research as well.

Fix the problem by giving the land back and stop providing leeway for a deeper rift.  That is the solution.  The Czars of Russia failed to see it.  The Bourbons of France failed to see it.  The Imperial Chinese government failed to see it.  The Tudors of England failed to see it when America rebelled.  Every nation pre-revolution failed to cater to their political enemies' demands and thus suffered for it.  Both Erinaums have given you and still offer the chance of negotiations.

Such systems turn unstable really quickly.

[Swat 3]

Swat, you gave him land. He can do what ever he loving pleases because it is his now. Be happy you have the east.

[SWAT One]

I don't have to be.

I'm exercising rights 2-5, and following precedents created by Plethora.

[Swat 3]

You are acting like this is the loving constitution.

[Mikoyan]

Oh god the loving irony.

The stupid swat trying to tell the smart swat off.

[Theepicman]

Oh god the loving irony.

The stupid swat trying to tell the smart swat off.

The thing is Swat 3 is right.

And this RP went from the best nation RP that my eyes saw to an argument fest.