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Author Topic: Nations at War - Closing Time!  (Read 241519 times)

"You dont agree with me! Away you shall go!"

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Purple, gold and black armbands become a popular fashion across the world in various places, though some Utahn teens are accidentally deported because they wanted to dress in style.

When someone is deported over their opinion of their rulers, that's going to make their friends and family angry. And when they're angry they'll speak up, and then you'll deport them and their relatives get angry. And when large groups of people are getting angry, eventually others will begin agreeing with them. Congratulations, you've constructed a method to get your entire population angry at you.
And this is partially what caused a split in W/ERFE.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 10:34:08 PM by SWAT One »

Purple, gold and black armbands become a popular fashion across the world in various places, though some Utahn teens are accidentally deported because they wanted to dress in style.

Stop generalizing.  I said there was a trial!  Seriously, the only places in the world supporting  the trouble makers are in E Erinaum and Belsnia.

Not all people follow regulations.  That's why I said "accidentally."

Atsinan teens do not find Purple, gold or black armbands do be fashionable. They do not wear them. Meanwhile, that rebel group pretty much disbands. They can't find that many reasons not to ally with HCE.

Seriously, the only places in the world supporting  the trouble makers are in E Erinaum and Belsnia.
Technically no government supports them, but billions of sympathizers exist all over the world.  No matter how hard you deny it, there are hundreds of millions of supporters in Atsina, UOU, Yaslovakia, the AC, you name it.  People react to emotions and persecution.  What happened when the Haulocaust was revealed to the world?  First world countries across the world took the impression that such practice was evil, and several nations in Europe made denying the Haulocaust a crime punishable by jail sentence, and I'm sure that some wanted the price to be death.  This is hyperbolized, but it walks along the same principles.  People are not sheep as you say.

Conservatia is offered a membership in the PEMU.  The same offer to Belsnia is offered as well.

Deported individuals begin to sneak back into Utah by various methods from all kinds of directions, and arrive back home to live with whatever is left of their family.

The Holy Conservatian Empire publicly announces it shall be taking any and all deportees from Northern UoU, and will offer them classes to become Conservatian Citizens. Conservatia, while their history is grim and their king sits on a throne of dead enemies, comrades and sons(Aka Conservatia was practically founded by warfare, rebellion and death),  they recognize the fact that the Union of Utah's deportion law is ridiculous, and, as they claim, childish. Those who fail testing for Citizenship may reside for a year before being allowed to try again, afterwards they will be escorted to a country of their choosing so long as said country allows for Conservatian transportation to pass their borders and allow for individuals to reside within their borders.

Some of the deportees travel to Conservatian, but for the sake of your economy, they will come in moderation.

Technically no government supports them, but billions of sympathizers exist all over the world.  No matter how hard you deny it, there are hundreds of millions of supporters in Atsina, UOU, Yaslovakia, the AC, you name it.  People react to emotions and persecution.  What happened when the Haulocaust was revealed to the world?  First world countries across the world took the impression that such practice was evil, and several nations in Europe made denying the Haulocaust a crime punishable by jail sentence, and I'm sure that some wanted the price to be death.  This is hyperbolized, but it walks along the same principles.  People are not sheep as you say.
1. Quit controlling my country. I constantly blare propaganda & give my people tons of nice things. Their quality of life is fine and propaganda is constantly told to them. They are happy and content, and they are convinced their government is good. Why worry about some stupid rebels in W. Erinaum?

2. Quit comparing your rebellion to the holocaust. That is just insulting. Seriously. 11 Million dead vs Deportation and no independence for West Erinaum.

3. You say billions of sympathizers exist around the world, that means even more exist that support their own government. The biggest country in the world, the AC, supports UoU. Even if all billion sympathizers lived in the AC, he'd still have 2 billion people agreeing with their own government or being neutral. That is not counting actual UoU, Atsina and (possibly) Slevokxia.

4. I agree, deportation is stupid, as is some of the other events that SirLancelot has been doing, but you have been doing some stupid events aswell. Not including: Controlling others populations, controlling events, etc, etc.

For one, I admitted that the Haulocaust was hyperbolized.  I said it was being used as an example that demonstrates concepts involving human interaction that employs discrimination for political and racial ideas, marginalization, and abolishment of civil liberties.  Both the Utahn deportations and the Haulocaust fall under the same category.

Second, governments don't control people.  People control people, and that is just a fact of life.  I'm not going to say that there are large parties of sympathizers in Atsina, because you have made it clear that your government doesn't want that, but this is a technologically-rich age, and ideas move quickly through tons of mediums.  Simply put, it is powergaming to say that your people are all happy, and don't want part in it unless you create that sort of hive mind.  In Plethora's words, "something must get through."  There are sympathizers everywhere, but not necessarily in large groups.  Most of them are in Erinaum, Belsnia and the former Abdullahian provinces.  A large number exist in UOU because they get to see these people get carted away on daily bases.  The government can only truthfully tell them that they think different, therefore had to go.

AC supports the UOU because they are a friend, (ally?) and a trade asset (not so much now), though I doubt that they would support the ideologies that Utah holds.

If you want an example look to the American-French Revolutions.  The French Revolution was brought about because when they noticed that the Americans disliked oppression and took matters into their own hands, and cast off their troubles.  The French then did the same because they noticed the same situation in their own country.  The point is that the West Erinamese present a case that appeals to the humanity of the citizens of the Earth, and that can't be denied for some.

Second, governments don't control people.  People control people, and that is just a fact of life.  I'm not going to say that there are large parties of sympathizers in Atsina, because you have made it clear that your government doesn't want that, but this is a technologically-rich age, and ideas move quickly through tons of mediums.  Simply put, it is powergaming to say that your people are all happy, and don't want part in it unless you create that sort of hive mind.  In Plethora's words, "something must get through."  There are sympathizers everywhere, but not necessarily in large groups.  Most of them are in Erinaum, Belsnia and the former Abdullahian provinces.  A large number exist in UOU because they get to see these people get carted away on daily bases.  The government can only truthfully tell them that they think different, therefore had to go.
I agree, espiceally with my quality of life, information can get through, causing small groups of symphatizers to pop up. Anyways, I'm going to do a serious event because all we've been talking about lately is "WEST ERINAUM RIOTS, DEPORTATION, DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA"

A independence movement pops up in Iberia and they declare independence from Atsina, controlling majority of Iberia.



 
Iberian Independence Movement
Revolutionary Government

Economy Type: Mixed
*Currency: Riel
*Currency in comparison to Euros: 1 Riel = 0.5 Euros

Population: N/A (Basically, 1/3 of Current Atsina, not including North American colonies)
Religions: Catholicism
Languages: French, Spanish, Portugese

Map Just cut off from the Pyrennes please.
*Major Cities: Diari, Ara, Ciènci
Capital City: Ciènci

Trade Partners: None.
Alliances: None.
Organizations: None.

*Defcon Level: 3.
Military Tech: Same as Atsina.

Well I wouldn't call that a small group sweet jesus.

But you can do that if you want.

Armbands are now colored purple, for West Erinaum, green, for New Atsina, and red for New Yaslovakia, separated by bands of white.  These all to demonstrate a symbol of anti-tyranny.

Well I wouldn't call that a small group sweet jesus.

But you can do that if you want.

Armbands are now colored purple, for West Erinaum, green, for New Atsina, and red for New Yaslovakia, separated by bands of white.  These all to demonstrate a symbol of anti-tyranny.
What? IIM has no relation to W.Erinaum at all. They do not care about the riots. They just want independence for themselves. They are not a small group inspired by W.Erinaum. The small group I was talking about is not IIM.

Anyways, AIUO units are airdropped into Ciènci.

No I didn't say that, but it likens unto an awkward transition of conversation.  "Small group this small group that" oh btw huge revolution.

Miko might understand from a musical perspective that it's like abrupt and awkward modulation.