I'm not sure how to relate anything of what you just said to the actual topic. It's all just "rebel against ur athoeritey xP" and the rest is just condescending stuff acting as a filler.
I'm not sure how you expect Trogtor to rebel against his parents and start living life with himself being his primary concern when he is legally obligated to stay at home and obey his parents. Maybe your parents just don't give a stuff and let you flunk out of school to make a living of arguing with people online, but maybe Trogtor's parents want him to get great grades, go to a great school, get a great job and live a great life.
Believe it or not, his parents actually have his best interest for him. Their primary concern is Trogtor (if they're anything resembling a good parent), and so is Trogtors. They know him better than you do, the simple fact that you think that your advice is in any way shape or form better than Trogtor's parents means you're an arrogant self-righteous piece of stuff. If Trogtor flunked out of school and played video games all of his stuffty life, I'm sure his parents would be disappointed. Not that you seem to care. Crush all your parents hopes and dreams for you as long as you're happy in your own sad twisted way, right?
My parents have only physically hurt me once when I called my dad a piece of stuff for something, to which he slapped me. I guess I could've thrown him down a staircase at that point, but that would just be working in the wrong direction, because as it turned out a month later, he was right.
So what I'm trying to say here is that, listen to your loving parents. Yeah, you're not going to love literally everything that people make you do. Welcome to real life. Are you gonna beat your wife and throw her down a staircase when she asks you to stop watching research?
Ooh, I missed this reply. I'm actually going to respond to it from the bottom up, just for fun.
My entire point this whole time hasn't been to use physical force to stop your parents from controlling you. You're essentially using a logical fallacy called
straw man to support your argument, and at the same time also applying the
ad hominem fallacy too. If my wife told me to stop watching research, my response would be, as expected, dependent on the situation. I can pretty safely say though that beating her and throwing her down a staircase wouldn't be in my options for how to respond. Though, from the way my posts are coming off, I'd have thought that you'd have said "Are you gonna tell your wife to go forget herself when she asks you to stop watching research?" And even that I've already defended myself against. I already said that most peoples (including my own) happiness is dependent on the happiness of others. Me watching research might make me happy, but more than likely her sadness would outweigh the happiness I gain from watching the research and I'd stop. That's not edgy, that's decision making.
Also, I agree. You should listen to your parents. If you listen to your parents, they shouldn't have to apply oppression at all. Only once they do apply oppression as a parenting technique do I suggest disobeying your parents. They have a legal and moral duty to guide you, and you should put that into consideration when making decisions. Otherwise, they'll have failed as parents. This is why my view towards parenting isn't "parents shouldn't be involved in the upbringing of a child." It's simply "parents should guide children as they grow rather than force them to conform to the exact path they believe is correct. There is more than one way for a life to be successful, and their view and their child's view may not be in line. In this case, since it is the child's life, the child should get the final say."
Again you're using fallacies against my argument. I'm
not saying to use force to get your way. If your dad slapped you, it would not be an appropriate response to throw him down a staircase. If your dad pounced on top of you, beat you repeatedly with his fists, threw you at a wall, kicked you in the nuts, and threatened to break your arm, I think that throwing them down a staircase to stop them would be a fairly effective way to get them to stop. Some interpretation is needed to understand what I post. Response to a situation scales with the intensity of the situation. Never use more force in response to an attack than is intended in the attack perpetrated against you. Put more simply, if a person doesn't intend to injure you, don't injure them. If a person doesn't intend to kill you, don't kill them.
Your parents' view of you isn't really relevant to your own life. Do you think garbage collectors' parents beam at their kids with pride? No. Their parents probably had higher expectations, but that's not really how the kids' life worked out. It's not their fault, it's their kids fault. Don't assume responsibility for something that you didn't control. Forcing the kid to study in high school probably would have lead to a situation where they'd flunk out of college due to the surge of freedom that comes from living away from home. Forcing a kid isn't how you guide their future decisions, it's how you make them resent you. This topic is a perfect example. You guide your children by instilling values and advice into them, so when they're faced with future decisions they make the correct choice. If you force a kid to study, he may learn that subject right then. If you teach the kid that studying is an important tool in the life of a student, they'll study on their own and will learn many subjects to come. This is why the power of suggestion is greater than the power of force. Moderation between computer time and work/school time needs to be taught, not enforced.
That said, I know his parents have his best interest in mind. I think they're choosing the wrong path to go about raising him. If your kid does bad in school, you need to teach them that school is more important than video games. If they refuse to learn, then the next step isn't to force them to do school work over video games. When you're older and considering procrastinating on a report you have to write for work, you're not going to think "if I procrastinate, my parents will break into my apartment and take away my computer, so I better work on it now!" If they, however, taught you that work is more important than play, you may think "well, I know that work is more important. Maybe I should at least start before playing some games."
And once again, you're misconstruing my argument. I'm not saying authority is bad or saying that you should rebel against all authority. I'm saying you should rebel against oppression. Oppression is not a good thing for children or for people. I actually think it's an awful thing to teach children, because then as adults they'll be less sensitive to having their freedoms crushed by an authority figure. They'll be more supportive of a loss of their freedoms in exchange for the betterment of the community.
a good parent uses a balance of both
you cant make a kid stop jumping off the top bunk of his bed via suggestion
and you cant make a kid stop masturbating via oppression.
in the suburbs im sure you cant paint your house Ferrari Red if the neighborhood's houses are cream/beigh, and your associates should determined by who's in prison and who's not,and by who has to declare themselves a loveual predator to the neighborhood they newly moved into.
I'm going to start this off by saying I believe you are less intelligent than RaR and the detail of my response will scale with it. You can make a kid stop jumping off the top bunk of his bed via suggestion. Teach him that doing so is dangerous and that he will get hurt if he continues. If the kid still continues, hope they don't get seriously hurt. Maybe the kid really does know what they're doing and they won't get hurt at all. You also can stop procrastination through oppression. You can get a chastity belt for someone, lock it, and eat the key. Oppression is the "easy way out."
You can paint your house whatever color you want to for it is on private property. If you've signed into a house with a homeowners association that prevents painting your house whatever color you desire, that's a choice you willingly made to give up your freedom to paint your house. Move into a neighborhood without that restriction. That's not oppression, that's a choice between whether you want to live somewhere where restrictions are set to keep things looking pretty or not. You don't choose whether you want parents that oppress you or not, same with government.
I also believe in this kind of parenting, but for example you can't just 'suggest' your kids not to do drugs when they are young if they are doing drugs. That would be called bad parenting. You're kids need to learn through experiences and that is why I believe in 'suggestion and advice'. They can't just be forced away from the stove so they don't burn themselves, but they have to learn it hurts them. Satisfying yourself by being lazy is not that. That is the easy way out of this. His parents are doing the same. He chooses to not get good grades and he loses computer privileges. Helps him learn to get good grades.
Drugs are kind of a different story. It depends on the drug. I agree, parents can't always stop kids from doing drugs by saying 'drugs are bad.' It's a problem. However, if a kid is going to use drugs there's little you can do about it. You can always say that drugs are not allowed in your house. If you find them, throw them out. But, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If a kid is dead-set on doing drugs, there's absolutely nothing a parent can do to prevent them from doing it.
what the forget his post had literally nothing to do with a controlling government
"bending over" for your parents (which in reality is just taking discipline and not acting like a bitch about it) is not the same as becoming a government slave you paranoid tard.
Have you ever heard of an brown townogy?
