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mfw this guy and Kearn still don't realise the only reason the GOP opposes obamacare is because their insurance lobbyist buttpals won't be able to give them as much money, because they'll be losing money.

Common sense ladies, learn it.

orrr the fact that the only reason we're gridlocking Congress in on the basis that Obama is giving FEDERAL TAX pardons (which is illegal btw) to all democrats, this means they won't pay a penny more because of Obamacare, but the common person will.

You think that's okay?

If you do I think you need a little help

So you're under the impression my arguments are contrarian fueled?  What about what I've said isn't true, as mocking as it may be?  No political party is out for the wellbeing of the people, they're out for their own politcal gain.  Sure, you can refute this and say it's bullstuff, but it's been the case hundreds of times and I doubt we've seen the last of greed in the political game.

You started this off attacking me for making true, though insultive, statements about an individual political party which is causing much more of a mess than the opposing one currently.  Maybe you shouldn't assume superiority in a discussion of ideals and statistic when the only thing you've got to refute them is ad hominem.

I have no idea what you're on about. I never said that political parties are out for the well being of the people, and I won't refute it because any (and every) entity protects itself before others. Also, you can't claim your own political opinions as fact. It's not just bad form, it's ludicrous. They're opinions because they're not rooted in fact. I drew a diagram for you, so that maybe you can understand what I'm saying as it'd be presented to a first grader.


orrr the fact that the only reason we're gridlocking Congress in on the basis that Obama is giving FEDERAL TAX pardons (which is illegal btw) to all democrats, this means they won't pay a penny more because of Obamacare, but the common person will.

You think that's okay?

If you do I think you need a little help
Want to post a source?

I have no idea what you're on about. I never said that political parties are out for the well being of the people, and I won't refute it because any (and every) entity protects itself before others. Also, you can't claim your own political opinions as fact. It's not just bad form, it's ludicrous. They're opinions because they're not rooted in fact. I drew a diagram for you, so that maybe you can understand what I'm saying as it'd be presented to a first grader.
I love that you're under the impression that you can immediately assume my ideals given accouple of posts in a blockland forum political topic.  Again, quit assuming superior knowledge here, it has yet to do anything but hinder your argument.

I'm claiming the GOP's actions are based on their personal suffering, which is based on them being funded by lobbyists who come primarily from insurance companies, who will lose money if Obamacare passes.  I'll nab sources for you if you want, but I don't think I should have to.

I'm seriously considering to become an Independent. What do you guys think, is that a good decision?

It is a matter of what you believe in, I consider myself an Independent too. My dad is an Independent also, but was a Republican for most of his life until the party went whacky.

I love that you're under the impression that you can immediately assume my ideals given accouple of posts in a blockland forum political topic.  Again, quit assuming superior knowledge here, it has yet to do anything but hinder your argument.

I'm claiming the GOP's actions are based on their personal suffering, which is based on them being funded by lobbyists who come primarily from insurance companies, who will lose money if Obamacare passes.  I'll nab sources for you if you want, but I don't think I should have to.

I didn't assume your ideals. You protected Obamacare, so I stuck it under something you like. You stated blatantly that political parties are not out for the wellbeing of people, so I stuck that on there too. I said "whatever other beliefs you have" because I don't know any others, you haven't stated them.

On the "other" side, I stuck things you already said you don't identify with, plus some obvious ones. You're insulting the GOP directly, saying you're not a democrat (also slighting both by insulting parties in general), other people with different opinions are obviously on the other side, and whatever else you don't like because, again, I didn't want to assume anything. The closest thing to an assumption is me sticking "execs" over the first guys head in the "other" section, and that was done in jest.

Furthermore, you can't state something like "the GOP's actions are based on [...] them being funded by lobbyists who come primarily from insurance companies, who will lose money if Obamacare passes" as fact. You simply can't do it. You are not the GOP, you can speculate on their motivations but you can't say for sure. You can cite a hundred thousand sources, but in the end they're all opinion articles. When it comes down to it, the GOP supports a small government in general and nationalized healthcare is increasing the power of the government. It's directly contrary to their ideals.

orrr the fact that the only reason we're gridlocking Congress in on the basis that Obama is giving FEDERAL TAX pardons (which is illegal btw) to all democrats, this means they won't pay a penny more because of Obamacare, but the common person will.

You think that's okay?

If you do I think you need a little help
I researched this, I have not found a single thing on this, and I highly doubt this is true. It's propaganda. Can you post evidence please? I honestly think if this is true, people would be all over this, especially in the media since Obama is breaking the law like you said.

I researched this, I have not found a single thing on this, and I highly doubt this is true. It's propaganda. Can you post evidence please? I honestly think if this is true, people would be all over this, especially in the media since Obama is breaking the law like you said.
What I think he's referring to is how the IRS targeted the republican party, but his comment is a gross misappropriation of information.

Furthermore, you can't state something like "the GOP's actions are based on [...] them being funded by lobbyists who come primarily from insurance companies, who will lose money if Obamacare passes" as fact. You simply can't do it. You are not the GOP, you can speculate on their motivations but you can't say for sure. You can cite a hundred thousand sources, but in the end they're all opinion articles. When it comes down to it, the GOP supports a small government in general and nationalized healthcare is increasing the power of the government. It's directly contrary to their ideals.
I think this offers great incite on unbiased information regarding the subject:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F09

It's statistic -- it's the only known fact to go on, and has yet to be refuted yet proven through documents which are quite clearly valid.

Sure, this doesn't necessarily cite their motive, but considering reasonable assumption based ON statistic, I'd say it's pretty damn obvious that it's one of the many things fueling the GOP's actions.

In other words, no, my assumption isn't a statistic, but the statement's based on statistic, and that cannot be refuted.

I still don't see why you went out of your way to attack me, though.  I was making pretty harmless banter in comparison to a lot of the people who consistently post in these topics.

"The Senate may still have a reputation as a genteel club, but lawmakers seemed to abandon rules of decorum completely last week in arguments about whether Congress should be treated like the rest of the country when it comes to Obamacare.

Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, has demanded a floor vote on his bill to end an exemption that members of Congress and their staffs are slated to get that will make them the only participants in the new Obamacare exchanges to receive generous subsidies from their employer to pay for their health insurance"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358550/congresss-exemption-obamacare-john-fund

"The Senate may still have a reputation as a genteel club, but lawmakers seemed to abandon rules of decorum completely last week in arguments about whether Congress should be treated like the rest of the country when it comes to Obamacare.

Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, has demanded a floor vote on his bill to end an exemption that members of Congress and their staffs are slated to get that will make them the only participants in the new Obamacare exchanges to receive generous subsidies from their employer to pay for their health insurance"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358550/congresss-exemption-obamacare-john-fund
It isn't stating anything about making individual democrats exempt, you god damned tool.  It's saying congress as a whole.  Which is actually refuted in the comments section with a great argument stating actual text from the bill in discussion.

"OH GOD OBAMA DID SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BELIEVE IS FOR THE DEMOCRATS ONLY SO I'LL JUST SAY IT IS"

It isn't stating anything about making individual democrats exempt, you god damned tool.  It's saying congress as a whole.  Which is actually refuted in the comments section with a great argument stating actual text from the bill in discussion.

"OH GOD OBAMA DID SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BELIEVE IS FOR THE DEMOCRATS ONLY SO I'LL JUST SAY IT IS"
whoops, i didnt know it included the entirety of Congress

that's my actual bad, my apologies

So how will government Shutdown affect us as U.S Citizens?

"The Senate may still have a reputation as a genteel club, but lawmakers seemed to abandon rules of decorum completely last week in arguments about whether Congress should be treated like the rest of the country when it comes to Obamacare.

Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, has demanded a floor vote on his bill to end an exemption that members of Congress and their staffs are slated to get that will make them the only participants in the new Obamacare exchanges to receive generous subsidies from their employer to pay for their health insurance"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358550/congresss-exemption-obamacare-john-fund
Never heard of this source and the article is not stating what you say.
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whoops, i didnt know it included the entirety of Congress

that's my actual bad, my apologies
I can respect you now.  Acknowledging a mistake is something not many people are willing to do, kudos to you friend.

So how will government Shutdown affect us as U.S Citizens?
National Parks.