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The Epic of Giglamesh was polytheistic.  It defies the credibility of your bible, implying one or the other is or isn't true, not both.

It doesn't matter if it was polytheistic.  The people group that wrote the story used their own gods in it.  Same way with Christianity, Moses wrote it in the monotheistic view of Christians by way of stories and perhaps some written records to back him up.

The stories all conflict with each other and aren't written in the same time period.  It isn't proof of a great flood.  Hell, if you're so convinced it is, how in the world would these people understand it as a worldwide flood, when it only covered their land.   You yourself said they didn't have the ability to contact other lands in great distances.  Oh, and on that note, they wouldn't have been able to live through a flood to give testaments of their knowledge.

The point is that the stories are all centered around a massive flood and a small group of people and animals surviving on some sort of boat.  How could that happen in such different locations?  The dates varied because there was no practical way of keeping track of time and estimating historical records back in B.C.E. times.

Oh boy, attacking gramatical errors and rhetoric, how wonderfully "autistic" of you!

I'm attacking a character flaw wherein you try to imitate what you think smart people sound like to give the impression that you're intelligent. I like how you're comma splicing the hell out of your sentences, misspelling the word grammatical and then putting autistic in quotes in one of the most desperate and nonsensical retorts I've ever read.

I'm saying I'd laugh because I find it silly.  Being under the impression that I'm openly mocking someone isn't a suitable argument as it's incorrect.

Do you even know the definition of the word mock?



Like really. If English is your first language and you have such a loose grasp of it, this makes a profound statement about how stupid you are.

Never the less, I separated the act from my argument, and made that extremely clear.  

Nevertheless is one word, but I guess we should be past the fact that you aren't good with big words.

"Separating the act from [your] argument" makes no sense at all either as a phrase or even just as words in this context. You openly mock religious people in public and then you argue that religion is mathematically wrong, so in what sense are you separating your contempt of religion to your open mockery of it?

If someone's going to subject me to something as basic as saying grace, then they can handle something as basic as someone laughing at it.

That's not how society works you stupid turd. If someone asks you to pray with them then you either subject yourself to a harmless ritual out of respect or you don't and politely refuse. You don't present yourself as some jackass who openly mocks people for something as mundane as a table prayer.

 Stop blowing things out of proportion to sway personal vendetta in your argument.

Kindly remove your richard from the English language because you are loving it without mercy and it wants you to stop.

Also, even if it were the case, your "fedora wearing" bias stuff is completely irrelevant.  For someone who likes to nitpick a lot, you sure don't have your stuff together all too well.  Bringing in your silly depiction of what you want to believe an atheist is != an argument.

I'm an atheist you moronic assbag, and you don't need to put "fedora wearing" in quotes. You're a contemptible psuedo-intellectual piece of horse stuff who in a perfect society wouldn't be allowed to reproduce solely for how god damn offensive your charade is to genuinely intelligent people.

I never stated it was.  I never implied laughter was my argument.  Having fun atop your high horse, you loving rodent?

For someone who can't even figure out how to format something as basic as an SMF post without breaking the damn thing completely, you have some nerve to be calling other people "rodents."

Mathematics is above theology.

On what hierarchy? They're two completely separate fields; mathematics being, well mathematics and theology being a derivative of sociology.

Good job being handicapped, I'll be rooting for you at the Special Olympics this year.

Someone lacking a variable to suggest it's real is, by definition, not real.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you forgeted this sentence up so bad that you're saying the person making the claim is themselves, unreal.

But beyond that, the sentence still makes no sense. A "variable to suggest it's real" makes no loving sense in any universe ever. Are you talking about proof? Proof is only 5 letters. It's a word we learn before we're 10. It says exactly what you're trying to say with no effort at all. But that's not good enough for you. You want to sound smart, so you try to find a clever way to say something mundane and you fail so utterly it's both cringe worthy and laughable.

Don your fedora my good man, you've earned it.

 Mathematics is the only form of absolute proof the human mind is capable of knowing, so objecting against it is being under the impression your senses are far more capable, even though you're incapable of refuting what you consider to be beneath you.  



If I suddenly want to believe my imaginary friend Bill is a deity, does he somehow become exempt from mathematical fact?  Are you really that loving stupid?

That's not mathematics, that's psychology you loving dolt. There's nothing in mathematics that says that people don't have imaginary friends who they think are God.


See first reply.  I get it, I make mistakes, but you were to make it out as coherent, as you corrected me.

I didn't "make it out as coherent," I made it out to be inane drivel from a psuedo-intellectual bullstuffter trying to flex nuts with an intellectual 2cm wang.

If you understand someone's point, you don't need to get on their case for how they presented it.  Or, at least, when we're in this situation, there's no purpose in doing it.  Well, you know, beyond boasting your oh so superior intellect.

I have no qualms about saying my intellect is superior to yours; as pretentious as the word intellect is. But no, people being able to understand your moronic points doesn't excuse you from the habit of trying to sound smart by using words you don't understand.

Newsflash idiot: if you don't understand the words you're using, and someone else does, you're going to look like a handicap. Don't assume other people aren't going to call you out on your nonsensical wording in an argument. Being a handicap has a way of destroying your credibility.


I'm playing devil's advocate when I'm not taking sides.

Exactly how is claiming that someone's argument is mathematically wrong not taking sides?

And devil's advocates do take sides, that's kind of what advocate means you moron.

Laughing at something (funny how you say uncontrollably; making things up, again) is a presumed reaction.  

Laughing at something is a presumed reaction? Damn right it's presumed in this context, but I doubt you know the definition I'm referring to.



You're trying to say that it's an understandable and common reaction, which isn't at all true because regular people will simply sit through silly rituals like that out of respect or simply say "no thank you."

When the argument against someone's personal preference of humor is being made by an individual who thinks it's appropriate to call someone an "autistic fedora wearing handicap" every other line, it's extremely difficult to take it seriously. I don't, because I get that it's a general insult.

There is nothing so humorous about prayer as to illicit a knee-jerk guffaw. It's a ritual we've all grown up seeing in our society and I can't think of a conceivable instance where being asked to pray would cause anything but discomfort in a reasonable secularist.

Again, see the first reply.

These aren't typos I'm correcting. I'm correcting blatant stupidity and exposing your charade to you. You aren't intelligent, you're below average. Stop lying to yourself.

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I was implying how I enjoy that we're able to adapt and figure out how certain living organisms thrive.  You're nitpicking again.  I guess that's your only real argument, though.



Aww, you get on my ass about mocking and then you do it yourself?

You are worthy of being mocked. You aren't humble and stupid like Honey Boo Boo. You aren't well-intentioned and stupid like George Bush. You're bigoted and stupid. You're arrogant and stupid. You're the worst kind of stupid person. There is literally nothing about you that isn't grounds for mocking.

 I've displayed mathematical argument externally.

See: image of distressed Asian man.

 I was arguing against people who like to just nab on to anything they can to get a kick/assume superiority.  Everyone assuming I'm hiding under anonymity because I get a kick out of certain religious preachings/think I'm a hypocrite for finding something humorous is outrageous, so I was calling them out on it.  I didn't actually state an argument against religious practices here, I only defended the stance of my own beliefs and actions.

When you talk about how you openly mock religious people in public and how religion is mathematically fallacious you aren't exactly defending yourself at that point.

Err, I should rephrase.  It's a law, but that doesn't mean it's not refutable.  Someone stated that it was a flaw in my argument because it wasn't mathematically absolute, which is true, but it's something that cannot CURRENTLY be refuted.  I was just covering my ass because I've actually gotten people stupid enough to suggest it wasn't.

No. You moron. No. No. No. No no no no no no no.

The Earth being round isn't a law, it's a fact. It can't be refuted because we can clearly see that the Earth is round. All the astronomy and astromathematics in existence require that the Earth be round for them to function. Every piece of evidence in the universe on the subject proves the Earth is round. It will never be refuted.

What the forget are you going on about?  I never stated I retaliate to oppressive religious behaviors in that post, nor did I mension my laughter as a form of retaliation.  I'm referencing other situations when I mention retaliation, and I stated people find MY attitude oppressive, not that I find religion oppressive.  Holy stuff, stop pulling things from your ass and learn to ask for clarifications if you don't necessarily understand something.  I never stated I doubt the earth is round.  Funny how incapable you are of understanding certain segments of the argument, while you're able to rephrase others completely.  Selective comprehension or stupidity, I can't really figure out which one suits your actions more.

I don't think you understand the definition of retaliate, nor do I think you understand how openly mocking somebody's religion can be taken as an act of aggression.

Openly mocking people for their beliefs is definitely oppression. There is no argument against that.

I was stating their assumption that I'm a hypocrite because I'm presenting an argument.  Sorry, mistyped that out.

Yeah but you worded it like a handicap because you're hoping that if you use words and phrases you don't understand, nobody else will understand them either and you'll look smart.

The net result being of course, that you get called out for misusing and sodomizing the English language and you look like an idiot for it.

I never questioned whether the earth was round or not.  Stop pulling stuff from your ass.

You specifically said that the Earth being round could be refuted, and that it's a theory. Calling something like that a theory requires doubt.

Not that I'd expect you to comprehend something like that.



This entire group is just "lololol you're autistic for not believing in my god omg stop being so stupid" so I think I'll just ignore it.

I'm an atheist. But I'm smarter than you.

Though I honestly kind of hope hell is real just so people like you can burn somewhere for eternity.

The argument I displayed above had nothing to do with me refuting religion, it was about explaining my situation against people who decided to attack me personally.

People attack you personally because you're a moron. There's no way you're going to refute that by reposting respected atheist work refuting religion.


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it's funny because it's true

It doesn't matter if it was polytheistic.  The people group that wrote the story used their own gods in it.  Same way with Christianity, Moses wrote it in the monotheistic view of Christians by way of stories and perhaps some written records to back him up.

The point is that the stories are all centered around a massive flood and a small group of people and animals surviving on some sort of boat.  How could that happen in such different locations?  The dates varied because there was no practical way of keeping track of time and estimating historical records back in B.C.E. times.
Which means a select few ancient literature defining the scenario of a flood that only they could witness locally (this is common tragedy, it's something they could've written about to be fable, mind you), can't be credible, because there's no timeframe, and each story is just as vague in representing "a lot of water" as the next.  You fail to understand that coincidence, especially when it's difficult to actually consider it coincidence, is proof of anything.

Proof != debatable historical concepts.

I like how you're comma splicing the hell out of your sentences, misspelling the word grammatical and then putting autistic in quotes in one of the most desperate and nonsensical retorts I've ever read.

Do you even know the definition of the word mock?

Like really. If English is your first language and you have such a loose grasp of it, this makes a profound statement about how stupid you are.

Nevertheless is one word, but I guess we should be past the fact that you aren't good with big words.

That's not how society works you stupid turd. If someone asks you to pray with them then you either subject yourself to a harmless ritual out of respect or you don't and politely refuse. You don't present yourself as some jackass who openly mocks people for something as mundane as a table prayer.

Kindly remove your richard from the English language because you are loving it without mercy and it wants you to stop.

I'm an atheist you moronic assbag, and you don't need to put "fedora wearing" in quotes. You're a contemptible psuedo-intellectual piece of horse stuff who in a perfect society wouldn't be allowed to reproduce solely for how god damn offensive your charade is to genuinely intelligent people.

For someone who can't even figure out how to format something as basic as an SMF post without breaking the damn thing completely, you have some nerve to be calling other people "rodents."

Good job being handicapped, I'll be rooting for you at the Special Olympics this year.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you forgeted this sentence up so bad that you're saying the person making the claim is themselves, unreal.

But beyond that, the sentence still makes no sense. A "variable to suggest it's real" makes no loving sense in any universe ever. Are you talking about proof? Proof is only 5 letters. It's a word we learn before we're 10. It says exactly what you're trying to say with no effort at all. But that's not good enough for you. You want to sound smart, so you try to find a clever way to say something mundane and you fail so utterly it's both cringe worthy and laughable.

That's not mathematics, that's psychology you loving dolt. There's nothing in mathematics that says that people don't have imaginary friends who they think are God.

I have no qualms about saying my intellect is superior to yours; as pretentious as the word intellect is. But no, people being able to understand your moronic points doesn't excuse you from the habit of trying to sound smart by using words you don't understand.

Newsflash idiot: if you don't understand the words you're using, and someone else does, you're going to look like a handicap. Don't assume other people aren't going to call you out on your nonsensical wording in an argument. Being a handicap has a way of destroying your credibility.
And devil's advocates do take sides, that's kind of what advocate means you moron.

There is nothing so humorous about prayer as to illicit a knee-jerk guffaw. It's a ritual we've all grown up seeing in our society and I can't think of a conceivable instance where being asked to pray would cause anything but discomfort in a reasonable secularist.

These aren't typos I'm correcting. I'm correcting blatant stupidity and exposing your charade to you. You aren't intelligent, you're below average. Stop lying to yourself.

You are worthy of being mocked. You aren't humble and stupid like Honey Boo Boo. You aren't well-intentioned and stupid like George Bush. You're bigoted and stupid. You're arrogant and stupid. You're the worst kind of stupid person. There is literally nothing about you that isn't grounds for mocking.

No. You moron. No. No. No. No no no no no no no.

I don't think you understand the definition of retaliate, nor do I think you understand how openly mocking somebody's religion can be taken as an act of aggression.

Yeah but you worded it like a handicap because you're hoping that if you use words and phrases you don't understand, nobody else will understand them either and you'll look smart.

The net result being of course, that you get called out for misusing and sodomizing the English language and you look like an idiot for it.

Not that I'd expect you to comprehend something like that.



I'm an atheist. But I'm smarter than you.

Though I honestly kind of hope hell is real just so people like you can burn somewhere for eternity.

People attack you personally because you're a moron. There's no way you're going to refute that by reposting respected atheist work refuting religion.



This is NOT how you argue with someone.  I've never seen someone insult another that much in a legit argument.  Just because you don't agree does not give you right to do this.

This is NOT how you argue with someone.  I've never seen someone insult another that much in a legit argument.  Just because you don't agree does not give you right to do this.

I'm not arguing on behalf of theism. I'm an atheist. Lalam is an atheist.

I'm arguing that Lalam is a psuedo-intellectual pile of horse manure that needs to shut up and let interesting people who can actually make coherent posts do the arguing. His arguments are nonsensical, unhelpful, and downright offensive in their stupidity. His prose his painful to read, his wording is as pretentious as it is incoherent. He is the antithesis of intelligent discussion and needs to find a better outlet for his stupidity than exposing us to it on the forum.

Which means a select few ancient literature defining the scenario of a flood that only they could witness locally (this is common tragedy, it's something they could've written about to be fable, mind you), can't be credible, because there's no timeframe, and each story is just as vague in representing "a lot of water" as the next.  You fail to understand that coincidence, especially when it's difficult to actually consider it coincidence, is proof of anything.

Proof != debatable historical concepts.

Even if the stories can't be credible, they still have striking similarities to the original Flood story.  Most do say the Earth as a whole, but "...only they could witness locally..." makes sense.  However, the only massive Flood stories seem to be coming from prehistoric times and could only be written up when written language was invented in that part of the world.  The stories are altered because of being passed by word of mouth, definitely, but the main point of the stories (big flood and a man saving animals) still exists.

Again, you're under the impression that the only way to gain knowledge is through IMMENSE error, rather than simple questioning.  There were thousands of ways to ignore religion yet intellectually evolve as we are today.
It's all just a evolution of thinking

you have cave painting, venus stations, and worshiping the earth in the paleolithic -> People look at the stars at see stuff like esclipses and wonder why the way it is -> the concept of gods is creating -> the concept of gods carries over to many cultures as the first civilizations are created -> over time the idea that many gods were created by other gods leads to the idea that one god made them all. leads to Christianity -> people want to find evidence that god exists, so they look nature which leads to alchemy. Others look to the sky which leads to the creation of the telescope. Soon the discover the moon had a rough surface and that everything revolved around the sun and that the earth was round -> leads to questioning of god and the concept of science and trying to figure what really happened -> big bang and the evolution of species

From alchemy you get chemistry which was responsible for the creation of alloys, plastics, gun powder which lead to things like rockets which lead to space exploration. Also let us not forget math which evolved over time from many cultures who believed in gods. Also you can thank the Phoenicians for the creation for the alphabet. 

My point: Science couldn't have existed without the invention of gods, which means no atheism.

I'm not arguing on behalf of theism. I'm an atheist. Lalam is an atheist.

I'm arguing that Lalam is a psuedo-intellectual pile of horse manure that needs to shut up and let interesting people who can actually make coherent posts do the arguing. His arguments are nonsensical, unhelpful, and downright offensive in their stupidity. His prose his painful to read, his wording is as pretentious as it is incoherent. He is the antithesis of intelligent discussion and needs to find a better outlet for his stupidity than exposing us to it on the forum.

This bold exactly.  You don't mock people's way of doing things in an argument.  You are making yourself look stupid.

Obviously we just moved to higher land and survived.
reread what i said ok

Why are we having huge wall of text arguments in a thread simply asking us if we pray before we eat?

I mean you can just say "Yes I do that" or "No I don't do that".

You don't mock people's way of doing things in an argument.

Why exactly don't you mock peoples methods of arguing? That's a pretty profound statement. A stupid statement, but profound nonetheless.

Ray Comfort, a rather famous Christian apologist, made this claim about medicine and health in general:

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There is absolutely no pointing being healed in our bodies, then dying in our sins and spending an eternity in hell. It would be better to die of cancer and go to heaven because of that cancer, then to live in perfect health and end up in hell.

Therefore you should never take medicine to relieve pain. You should never consult a doctor or go to a hospital for treatment, because you would be interfering with the work of God in your life. If Cancer is the chastening tool of God, then doctors who are fighting cancer are fighting against the work of God.

 ...never pray for relief from the sickness, but rather pray that the cancer will continue to grow until the chastening is completed.

Now there are several easy ways to refute this, but what about the way he's proposing his argument. Is there nothing you find inherently stupid and moronic about the exact methods by which he's arguing? If this man was president, and he proposed a law with this as his reasoning, would you call him a moron? Would you spend all your time refuting the blatantly obvious fallacies and problems with his argument, and no time at all to attacking his character?

Stupid people need to be told that they're stupid. That way they don't publish 100 books about their stupid idea and their moronic ideals can die with them.




Why are we having huge wall of text arguments in a thread simply asking us if we pray before we eat?

I mean you can just say "Yes I do that" or "No I don't do that".
"well he started it"

but yeah these walls of text are enough to build a house with
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Why are we having huge wall of text arguments in a thread simply asking us if we pray before we eat?

I mean you can just say "Yes I do that" or "No I don't do that".
Cause 'merica! Freedom of speech!!