THE (RESTRICTION) OF RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!

[Night Fox]

200,000 less offenses isn't a big decrease?

200,000 is a lot of people but the number is still over a million
he didn't even say it wasn't big
he just said that the chart tries to make it seem like a lot more than it really is, and he's right

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[DrenDran]

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[ZombiLoin]

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[AdinX]

I was talking about school shootings. Yes, at home you could have an advantage if you hear something.
that's why the idea of arming teachers is being considered. take out the resource officer and there's no competition, take out a teacher... well, my school has 100+, so you've got a LOOOONG ways to go.
Then again, someone shot his wife when she was making noise in the kitchen at night, but that's a different story.
1 man's fault =/= firearms are devil spawn! ban them all!

By power I did not mean "bullet damage", I meant faster-firing guns with large clips have a lot more killing power simply because there are more bullets to shoot, and faster.
STOP
NO
DON'T forget-
DAMNIT

I'm trying to restrain myself from calling you a moron but you're making this hard, so let's think about this together.

Man A has a machinegun, 100 rounds in his drum, his gun fires automatically, takes him ABOUT 5 seconds to reload, bang bang bang
Man B has a pistol, 10 magazines, each mag has 10 rounds, 100 rounds total, takes him about 5 seconds to reload, each pull of the trigger is a round, bang bang bang

there is no faster, there is no 'more deadlier,' that's bullstuff. making smaller magazines means I have more space in my pockets for more magazines, same ammount of ammo, reloading a firearm takes 5 seconds, I've seen trained military personnel do it in less than 3.

Doctors, cars, and tall buildings have other, more useful purposes (alcohol and pocket knives are debatable). The sole use for a gun is killing. It is a weapon, that's what weapons do.
I never realized that for the past 7 years that I've used rifles for competitive shooting, I've been killing paper
I should go repent for my sins
father forgive me for I have slaughtered all the paper

A gun is an inanimate object. It does not make choices. It does not decide who dies. The shooter does. If a gun is a weapon and therefor needs to be banned, so does Judo, Karate, Martial Arts in general, swords, bladed weapons, blunt weapons, as well as any other form of 'weapon.'

[Harm94]

Also more people have been shot by someone with a pistol than a rifle
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/20tabledatadecpdf

[AdinX]

Also more people have been shot by someone with a pistol than a rifle
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/20tabledatadecpdf

with no distinguishing between homicide, self defense, law enforcement, Self Delete...

I'm going to assume that's homicide however, due to the URL

[ResonKinetic]

I scraped my arm with a butter knife once. We should ban those too.

[Harm94]

with no distinguishing between homicide, self defense, law enforcement, Self Delete...

I'm going to assume that's homicide however, due to the URL

Homicide is a broad term that just means one human killing another. It consists of Legal homicide(self defense, cop doing his job), murder(illegal homicide), and accidental homicide(Self Deletes, accidents, ect).

Also it says there in black and yellow the word Murder.

[SeventhSandwich]

200,000 is a lot of people but the number is still over a million
he didn't even say it wasn't big
he just said that the chart tries to make it seem like a lot more than it really is, and he's right

Agreed. I'm a big fan of raw data tables (when the numbers fit well) since there isn't as much obvious author bias and tampering with the intervals to make the trend appear more dramatic. While the intervals and controls on the graph aren't really misinforming anyone who actually reads them, there's a lot of people who would grossly misunderstand the trend in this data by just looking at the lines.

[Narkro555]

In the United States, arming teachers is our best bet at the time. Once the initial panic is gone, as I said previously, people could shoot better. But as so much as there is a risk of a shooting, people will still die because reaction time simply is not good enough in comparison to someone who's mind is set on killing as many people as possible. If we were a country like Japan which never had a massively armed population in the first place, then no guns would be a good idea. But with how the US has turned out, unfortunately we need them.

I think I may be getting the terminology wrong, but I still don't see why having to reload less wouldn't give you an advantage in certain situations. You are virtually defenseless for those five seconds, right? Wouldn't you want to spend less time like that?

And guns are simply the most effective means of killing to date. It's both short and long distance, the projectiles travel virtually instantaneously, you can fire a lot, you are mobile, and it only takes one bullet to kill someone. Knives, Karate, and swords still kill yes, but they just aren't nearly as powerful as guns, which is thus far the ideal weapon of choice in conflict today. Granted it can be used for recreation, but the purpose and great possibility is still there, and *if we could* remove all guns, banning them completely would at least help lower the number of deaths in a certain case of Flash Mob. But we can't at the moment, so making the population more armed and more trained is our best bet.

[XR-7]

also guns are used in hunting and killing live stock, which is also something you cant do with a car. i certainly wouldn't want to eat a cheese burger knowing that the cow was slowly run over by a tractor.

You should visit my county.

[AdinX]

I think I may be getting the terminology wrong, but I still don't see why having to reload less wouldn't give you an advantage in certain situations. You are virtually defenseless for those five seconds, right? Wouldn't you want to spend less time like that?
You have these great things called legs that can move you around, that way you can duck behind cover to reload
It's a tough concept I know, but you'll get it eventually. It's not like you anchor there when you reload, it's not a difficult task like solving a puzzle...

And guns are simply the most effective means of killing to date. It's both short and long distance, the projectiles travel virtually instantaneously, you can fire a lot, you are mobile, and it only takes one bullet to kill someone.
Er. No. If you pit a trained swordsman vs someone who has 0 gun experience, common sense or just basic knowledge, the swordsman will win, simply because the ability to effectively use a firearm is reliant on the USER. Firearms cannot shoot across the planet "long range" and short range is a waste of munitions (knife/blunt weapon). Bullets are effected by drag, gravity, recoil, bad aim, etc etc. Aiming a pistol is HARD, you can't even jokingly say you can empty 12 rounds in 12 seconds and land every shot within the target area. Think about how short that barrel is.
You seem to have this idea that guns are the tell all destroy all of weapons, but they aren't. They can't fire heat seeking missiles or blow up churches with their pistol grips... They are just as lethal as a katana.

[Narkro555]

You have these great things called legs that can move you around, that way you can duck behind cover to reload
It's a tough concept I know, but you'll get it eventually. It's not like you anchor there when you reload, it's not a difficult task like solving a puzzle...

Other people have legs as well, who says they cant walk into your cover? 5 seconds is a long time, and someone could easily run around to get a better shot in that time.

And considering guns are the weapon of choice for soldiers, guards, the police, and the occasionally Flash Mober, I think they know what's best. If there was a better option they would use it, but they don't. Guns are simply the most effective. They cannot destroy the most, granted. It's not like they fire missiles, as you said. But the portability and range of them makes them useful above all else, even if you are a lousy shot.

[Ravencroften]

Also more people have been shot by someone with a pistol than a rifle
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/20tabledatadecpdf

Well that's what is going to happen when you're able to carry concealed a weapon like that. Unfortunately some states have laws saying you can carry a pistol but not a rifle as long as it's concealed. What kind of logic is that? I'd much rather know the guy next to me has a rifle visible on him, rather than him hiding a pistol in his pants.

[Oasis]

Switzerland's got a good system in place. Not the mandatory military service, but the gun training.

Mental illness is always the issue.