Author Topic: LGBTQA megathread- the stuffstorm has passed and a rainbow protrudes the clouds.  (Read 36079 times)

Yeah because all us kids can just up and move away. You're doing the whole, "Well it's your problem not ours that you're oppressed, fix it yourself."  Also no one is asking mentalities to be change overnight. You think racism in the south against Blacks changed overnight? But look where we are now.
"if you had the chance"
"You turn 18, you are free to leave your parents custody and move to where-ever."

1B.) Depends on the culture of that state, the people that end up hateing gays are the ones that were indoctrinated by their parents through religion or extreme politics like national socialistsm or Communism. You can't really change their opinions overnight by force, it would be like trying to tame an adult cat.
family values is not a part of Communism.
There is no legal protection against firing from their job someone based on their loveuality on the federal level, only some (I'm pretty sure the minority) states have state-level protection
Arizona recently fought a bill that would have made it legal for businesses to refuse service solely on the grounds of someone's loveuality
People should be allowed to discriminate.
Limiting the rights of business owners is not the correct solution.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 01:28:07 PM by DrenDran »

Let's make gay people reservations.
Government was way ahead of you. They call it San Francisco.
family values is not a part of Communism.
See USSR under Stalin.

You think racism in the south against Blacks changed overnight? But look where we are now.
It is a lot better today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUnobHHAKxo
« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 01:32:57 PM by Harm94 »

People should be allowed to discriminate.
Limiting the rights of business owners is not the correct solution.

Exactly, if people don't like it or can't buy from there or get employed there, they can take their commerce elsewhere and/or boycott. Don't always lean on government for every social justice issue, the government is as inefficient as the loading in a Source game with an alright internet.

"if you had the chance"
"You turn 18, you are free to leave your parents custody and move to where-ever."

Yeah well most 18 year olds are financially stable. And they probably wouldn't have a job if they're being discriminated against.

Exactly, if people don't like it or can't buy from there or get employed there, they can take their commerce elsewhere and/or boycott. Don't always lean on government for every social justice issue, the government is as inefficient as the loading in a Source game with an alright internet.

What the forget this is like the same issue as the civil rights movement. "We can't serve you or give you a job because you're black." Now replace black with gay. We had this whole thing called the bill of rights for a loving reason.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 01:37:08 PM by ShadowsfeaR »

See USSR under Stalin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
I read a lot of that article, and searched it for "homoloveual" and "gay". No results.
While certain ethnic groups were affected, generally speaking women were made more equal to men. Nothing about gays though.

Also, Stalin and his policies don't really represent communism that well.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 01:46:27 PM by DrenDran »

Also, Stalin and his policies don't really represent communism that well.

The same too that the implementation of legislation restricting the right of homoloveuals isn't really representative of the Republican Party policy of limited government and individual freedom (yes, Clinton technically passed it, but it was a Republican Congress).

Yeah well most 18 year olds are financially stable. And they probably wouldn't have a job if they're being discriminated against.
Life is a struggle, nothing comes easy without work. Save your money whenever you can. Do whatever it takes, even if you have to pass yourself off as a straight male to maintain a job.

Life is a struggle, nothing comes easy without work. Save your money whenever you can. Do whatever it takes, even if you have to pass yourself off as a straight male to maintain a job.

This is literally the same thing as before, "NOT MY PROBLEM, GO FIX MY BIGOTED VIEWS YOURSELF."  This is a social problem, not something you just push under a rug and hope you never see it again. It's there. There's a huuuge bump in that rug. And it's loving up your living room.

The same too that the implementation of legislation restricting the right of homoloveuals isn't really representative of the Republican Party policy of limited government and individual freedom (yes, Clinton technically passed it, but it was a Republican Congress).
Yeah.

If it were up to me they could get married anywhere, but anyone could not hire them because of it.

This is literally the same thing as before, "NOT MY PROBLEM, GO FIX MY BIGOTED VIEWS YOURSELF."  This is a social problem, not something you just push under a rug and hope you never see it again. It's there. There's a huuuge bump in that rug. And it's loving up your living room.
That's not what I had in mind. Why should you have to put up with the same bigoted people everyday? They aren't going to change their minds overnight. What is stopping you from persueing happiness? Tell me how you would handle oppression? What is your plan?

That's not what I had in mind. Why should you have to put up with the same bigoted people everyday? They aren't going to change their minds overnight. What is stopping you from persueing happiness? Tell me how you would handle oppression? What is your plan?

Well whatever were doing now to push places to not deny services based on loveuality through law is a good start. Worked pretty well for the racial problem a few decades ago. I never said they're going to change their minds overnight. I loving know that. Just because it can't be done RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it can't be done over time. It's like you're saying "EUGH ITS TOO MUCH WORK, ITS NOT GONNA FIX ITSELF RIGHT NOW, MIGHT AS WELL JUST TELL THE OPPRESSED TO JUST GO forget THEMSELVES."

That's not what I had in mind. Why should you have to put up with the same bigoted people everyday? They aren't going to change their minds overnight. What is stopping you from persueing happiness? Tell me how you would handle oppression? What is your plan?
Why is it that whenever people say something's not right and should change, people like you always use the word "overnight"? I have no idea where anyone implied that it had to happen immediately.

These are just some of my thoughts and my inner babblings.
1A). Marriage is a dieing practice anyway. Plus many consider it to be an act of a male taking ownership of a women, so basically it would be a man taking custody of another man and making him his bitch so to speak.
True, and historically true, although not really practiced that way by many (at least in the US)
But it doesn't matter. It's still a symbol to people, and married couples are still given more privileges

2A). Depends on the state.
That was the entire purpose of that point

3A). Many Businesses put a sign right saying they have the right to deny service to anyone they don't like, that bill would be an extension to that right. Just like how a male gay bar could reserve the right to not serve straight people.
Isolated instances of service being denied to individuals is different from a broad-scope banishment of an entire group of people. I've never seen or heard of a single case of the latter happening.

So basically if you are feeling oppressed, why not move to a place that is more tolerant
Because it's not that easy?
Because people don't want to leave their friends and family?
Because people don't want to start over at a new job/school?
Because some people simply don't have access to the means to do so?
Because they shouldn't have to?
This is almost, in a way, victim blaming. "It's your fault, you should just move"
Besides, find me one place where discrimination doesn't exist. Sure, some places would be better than others, but you won't find anywhere where there isn't at least some


1. I was pretty sure the 14th amendment covered this, with the whole all citizens are to be treated equally. I could be wrong on this one.
Yeah, but look around, and see where that's got us

People should be allowed to discriminate.
Limiting the rights of business owners is not the correct solution.
Nobody should have to fear for their job, and by extension, their famiy's well-being, because they could be fired at any moment simply for having a trait they can't help having.
Let's look at it logically
1. People are harmed by discrimination.
2. People are not harmed by a lack of discrimination
Therefore, the most ethical decision to prevent the most people from being harmed is to not allow discrimination

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
I read a lot of that article, and searched it for "homoloveual" and "gay". No results.
While certain ethnic groups were affected, generally speaking women were made more equal to men. Nothing about gays though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia#LGBT_history_under_Stalin:_1933.E2.80.931953

Also, Stalin and his policies don't really represent communism that well.
This. There's many more communist countries than the USSR
« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 02:10:45 PM by Headcrab Zombie »

Didn't they call it "Russian Communism" just because the way he did it?