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If you're an agnostic then you do not know if there is a God or not. There is not enough proof for either side to definitively say if there is a God or not.
Atheism is not "definitively saying there is not a god"
It's just rejecting the claim that there is a god, nothing more/ If you do not actively hold a belief in a diety, then you are an atheist. The problem is that the word atheist has been given all sorts of negative connotations, so people make up new terms to separate themselves from it.
This is worth a read: http://mechanicalbrain.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/why-you-are-not-an-agnostic/



Atheism is essentially a religion
Why do you keep spewing this stuff everywhere you go? Give this a read before you say anything else on the matter: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm

in terms of requirements.
There are no requirements other than "not holding a belief in a diety"

Its a also an organized group just as any religion.
Atheism has no sacred text, no tenets, no official ceremonies, no common belief system, no "leader" of any sort, nothing that defines something as a religion, let alone an organized religion
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Atheism is simply unbelief.


Atheism is not "definitively saying there is not a god"
It's just rejecting the claim that there is a god, nothing more/ If you do not actively hold a belief in a diety, then you are an atheist. The problem is that the word atheist has been given all sorts of negative connotations, so people make up new terms to separate themselves from it.
This is worth a read: http://mechanicalbrain.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/why-you-are-not-an-agnostic/


Why do you keep spewing this stuff everywhere you go? Give this a read before you say anything else on the matter: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm
There are no requirements other than "not holding a belief in a diety"
Atheism has no sacred text, no tenets, no official ceremonies, no common belief system, no "leader" of any sort, nothing that defines something as a religion, let alone an organized religion


Here we go again.

On requirements, you cannot be an atheist if you believe in a deity. You cannot be anything else if you believe otherwise.

No religion has a visible leader either except for whatever the Pope does (pretty sure just Catholic and maybe Lutheran, but I can't look it up right now)

And I don't know how you're understanding me. Atheism is not a religion; it just has some similar grouping principles whether you're offended by it or not.

On requirements, you cannot be an atheist if you believe in a deity.
This is what I said

No religion has a visible leader
Several religions have structured leadership. Leadership doesn't mean just the very top. I'm not familiar with religious leadership, so I'll use a corporation as an brown townogy. You have the CEO at the very top, but you also have other upper management, middle management, department heads, etc. if the corporation is a manufacturer there will be foremans for all the shifts, etc. This is all leadership, not just the very top.
Christianity has bishops, archbishops, etc. I've seen people seek advice from pastors, these guidance could be seen as a form of leadership.
"Leader" could also be a more spiritual sense, such as Jesus or Buddha.
Atheism has what? Some people writing books about things? These people aren't leaders any more than some Christian writing books is a leader.

similar grouping principles
Such as? Read the link I posted previously, that addresses what I think you may be referring to
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Agnostic theist.
I believe there is a god but lack the faith to worship and sing hymns and go to church.

I don't have any reference for the veracity of your image besides the fact that it looks pretty well organized. The terms and definitions I used were from Wikipedia which is pretty reliable as a dictionary.
The root definition of the word gnostic is the Greek gnosis, which roughly translates to spiritual truths. Gnostic means you're 100% certain about any beliefs you have, while agnostic means just you are NOT certain.

the pasta monster is real and i want all people who dont belive in the pasta monster to be executed!1!!!!

You guys sure are getting worked up over a word. Before you know it, we will debating on whether or not tomatoes are actually red.

You guys sure are getting worked up over a word. Before you know it, we will debating on whether or not tomatoes are actually red.
Tomatoes are not red, you ignorant fool. Red is only one of its vast colors. Next time, check the facts that science has proven, instead of asking your grandmother.

/bad, but close enough example of a typical BL debate.

I think the first one is pretty much right on, but not the thing you said. Atheism is essentially a religion in terms of requirements. Its a also an organized group just as any religion.

And a god can be anything. It doesn't have to be a deity or being. When I say this,  I mean something like "science is their god" or whatever anyone has any sort of obsession over.

The actual definition of not believing in any supreme form I more like it as stated above.
What are you even talking about? Atheism is essentially the lack of a religion and faith in a deity. It is not an organized group, it's just rejecting the idea of an intelligent creator.

Atheism is essentially a religion in terms of requirements. Its a also an organized group just as any religion.
what

You guys sure are getting worked up over a word. Before you know it, we will debating on whether or not tomatoes are actually red.
Tomatoes are not red, you ignorant fool. Red is only one of its vast colors. Next time, check the facts that science has proven, instead of asking your grandmother.

/bad, but close enough example of a typical BL debate.
according to science, tomatoes are actually every color except for red!

I think the entire existence of the word "atheist" is useless and arbitrary. Is there a word for non-skiers?  Are there groups of people that meet to discuss the fact on how they don't ski? I find it embarrassing to put myself under a category of the same kinds of people who preach the fact that they don't believe in preaching. That is why I consider myself agnostic, because I don't want to be assumed as that kind of person. When someone puts me under a group of people with those actions, they assume I do the same as all of them; reasonably so. Christians believe in god, so usually if you say you're christian you believe in God. Atheists don't believe in god, so if you say you are atheist then you are assumed to not believe in God. What society has done to this adjective is assume that everyone who calls themselves an atheist, does the same actions towards God that most atheists do. Atheists that I know are all up in my face, living an atheist life trying to change how people live according to how they do. I don't have the want to do any of that, so I consider myself agnostic. At the end of the day, I'd rather be no category at all.

I got a lot (if not all) of this from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos
If you really want to know what atheism is, then go and live it.
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isn't that "non-skiers club" thing also in curb your enthusiasm

EDIT: can't seem to find the clip
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In a move of desperation due to too many definitions being spewed all over me I decided I was areligious a while back.
I think it might be safe to say I'm a negative atheist now