WTF PAKISTAN??

[The Magical Dunes]

It's not something that can be put on a set scale of bad - good, people will have their own ideas of what is better or worse.
Where you say that modern life and comfort is better than living in a tribe, the people in that tribe may look at our modern world as if it is worse than theirs. Hunters for example have no need to store food for long periods of time, they take only what they need to eat and then go out again when they need more food, meaning no over fishing, destroying the ecosystem, etc. They can live without war or the worries of people such as ourselves. Like I said we think that what we have is better because we are the ones that have it and see those who don't as more primitive, when they can be living healthy lives that they enjoy fine and would prefer not to live as we do.
Think of how many people are depressed in our society (its a lot) due to the kinds of lives we live, living a simpler life where you don't have to worry about those things isn't so bad.

I say that living longer and not having to hunt for food everyday is absolutely better.

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[Ipquarx]

Think of how many people are depressed in our society (its a lot) due to the kinds of lives we live, living a simpler life where you don't have to worry about those things isn't so bad.

If you threw someone who was depressed into the wild do you honestly think they'd be any less depressed?

Well actually, they might be scared AND depressed, but my point still stands. People who can't handle modern life really wouldn't be able to handle the hunter-gatherer life.

[ResonKinetic]

I say that living longer and not having to hunt for food everyday is absolutely better.

first world white cis privileged scum

[The Magical Dunes]

first world white cis privileged scum

8 - )

[Clone v.117]

I say that living longer and not having to hunt for food everyday is absolutely better.

Yeah, to you.

If you threw someone who was depressed into the wild do you honestly think they'd be any less depressed?

Well actually, they might be scared AND depressed, but my point still stands. People who can't handle modern life really wouldn't be able to handle the hunter-gatherer life.

Lol I was never talking about sending people from the city out into the wilderness, I'm saying people that have grown up and survive outside of society can have healthy life and on a scale from 1 - happy enjoyments, be very high on that scale, as opposed to people living in society, where their longer life expectancies and lower infant mortality rates have little effect on their chronic depression, terrible lives, corruption and Self Deletes.
I'm just saying what you say is better isn't what other people say is better.

[The Magical Dunes]

Yeah, to you.

I very much disagree. I'm not just saying that what I said is opinion, I'm saying that it is some sort of absolute truth.

[Clone v.117]

I very much disagree. I'm not just saying that what I said is opinion, I'm saying that it is some sort of absolute truth.

But it is your opinion.
Not to mention it's not so much living longer as it is a potential to live longer, even if that means you hardly live at all working 9-5 for 40 years and then spending those extra years you might live in a retirement home. Also the amount of Self Deletes and murders that take place in society there are a lot of people who die much younger than those that live a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. That lifestyle which can also be much more fulfilling and less stressed.
I mean who says that living longer is a good thing? If I had the choice between living a great healthy life and dying at 60 or living a mundane life and dying old and decrepit at 85+ I would much rather cut those years off and enjoy myself.
Also we think that not having to find food is an ultimate improvement on life, when the food you eat, whilst easier to obtain is in no way better.
Sure you can go to mcdonalds and buy a burger every day, get fat on chemicals and sugars, then work 5 days a week to be able to have a home and survive and take all the stresses that come with that. Or you can live wherever you want without fear of need to work and find food when you want/need it, have a lot of exercise and a natural diet. The time some spend hunting you spend sitting in an office complaining about how much everything sucks.

[ResonKinetic]

But it is your opinion.
Not to mention it's not so much living longer as it is a potential to live longer, even if that means you hardly live at all working 9-5 for 40 years and then spending those extra years you might live in a retirement home. Also the amount of Self Deletes and murders that take place in society there are a lot of people who die much younger than those that live a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. That lifestyle which can also be much more fulfilling and less stressed.
I mean who says that living longer is a good thing? If I had the choice between living a great healthy life and dying at 60 or living a mundane life and dying old and decrepit at 85+ I would much rather cut those years off and enjoy myself.
Also we think that not having to find food is an ultimate improvement on life, when the food you eat, whilst easier to obtain is in no way better.
Sure you can go to mcdonalds and buy a burger every day, get fat on chemicals and sugars, then work 5 days a week to be able to have a home and survive and take all the stresses that come with that. Or you can live wherever you want without fear of need to work and find food when you want/need it, have a lot of exercise and a natural diet. The time some spend hunting you spend sitting in an office complaining about how much everything sucks.

but most people would prefer their current lifestyle than a savage lifestyle of survival sooooooo

[The Magical Dunes]

But it is your opinion.
Not to mention it's not so much living longer as it is a potential to live longer, even if that means you hardly live at all working 9-5 for 40 years and then spending those extra years you might live in a retirement home. Also the amount of Self Deletes and murders that take place in society there are a lot of people who die much younger than those that live a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. That lifestyle which can also be much more fulfilling and less stressed.
I mean who says that living longer is a good thing? If I had the choice between living a great healthy life and dying at 60 or living a mundane life and dying old and decrepit at 85+ I would much rather cut those years off and enjoy myself.
Also we think that not having to find food is an ultimate improvement on life, when the food you eat, whilst easier to obtain is in no way better.
Sure you can go to mcdonalds and buy a burger every day, get fat on chemicals and sugars, then work 5 days a week to be able to live and take all the stresses that come with that. Or you can live wherever you want without fear of need to work and find food when you want/need it, have a lot of exercise and a natural diet. The time some spend hunting you spend sitting in an office complaining about how much everything sucks.

i think you grossly underestimate the amount of young deaths in hunter-gatherer societies. i also think that your quality over quantity preference arises because you underestimate the difference between us and pre-agricultural societies: you live to 60 if you're lucky enough to not die in infancy and not die by 35. same goes for food, as you assume that a hunter gatherer life is as easy as just going out and killing something everyday. Even with the crap that a lot of people eat, such food security is better than the possibility of starving next week because of conditions out of human control. If you still think I'm full of it, ponder this: would you rather break your leg in modern Australia or in dark ages Europe?

[XR-7]

I guess you could say the woman is stone dead.

Yeah I'm not funny.

[Clone v.117]

but most people would prefer their current lifestyle than a savage lifestyle of survival sooooooo

I don't see the relevance.
I'm not saying which people prefer more or what people should do, besides the vast majority of people don't live outside of society or know much about that sort of life so obviously they would prefer what they already know.

i think you grossly underestimate the amount of young deaths in hunter-gatherer societies. i also think that you're quality over quantity preference arises because you underestimate the difference between us and pre-agricultural societies: you live to 60 if you're lucky enough to not die in infancy and not die by 35. same goes for food, as you assume that a hunter gatherer life is as easy as just going out and killing something everyday. Even with the crap that a lot of people eat, such food security is better than the possibility of starving next week because of conditions out of human control. If you still think I'm full of it, ponder this: would you rather break your leg in modern Australia or in dark ages Europe?

I never said a hunter-gatherer life is easy, and if you die in infancy then it's not like you know what you're missing out on lol.
I've never said anything like you're full of it, I said it was an opinion. I think you guys have misunderstood my posting here, I'm not trying to convince you that life is better without society and that you should run into the hills, nor am I trying to argue that your ideas are wrong, my point is that everything comes down to perspective, opinion and personal preference.
To use your example in my example, if someone broke their leg in either of those settings it would be pretty bad because broken legs hurt and stuff, but if the person who broke their leg (lets say in dark ages Europe or somewhere where they could die from the injury) was on the verge of Self Delete or was so content with their life that they didn't mind dying, it wouldn't matter to them.
All I've been saying is that there is no solid better or worse because it varies from person to person, and that it isn't a "shame" that there are people who don't live in our concrete apartment complexes and conform to social rule.

[Char]

my point is that everything comes down to perspective, opinion and personal preference.
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and that it isn't a "shame" that there are people who don't live in our concrete apartment complexes and conform to social rule.

Okay, then it is their opinion that it is a shame that they do not.
forget.

And they still conform to social rule, but it's on a smaller scale because tribes.
Unless you mean something different by social rule, but whatever.

[Clone v.117]

Okay, then it is their opinion that it is a shame that they do not.
forget.

And they still conform to social rule, but it's on a smaller scale because tribes.
Unless you mean something different by social rule, but whatever.

By social rule I was meaning our specific society, they'd have their own smaller communities of course.

[Harm94]

No one gives a stuff if a tradition is lost if it involves the public execution of an innocent through an excessive and brutal means. The world isn't losing out by stamping out such traditions.
Your examples of Imperialism have no relation to public opinion on 'honor killing'.

Like I said before, I condemn public stoning's. However, to say that your social norms are the Golden Standard that all people must abide is something I disagree with. Not all Muslims are wife beating, misogynist, blood craving people who enjoy publically executing people. If they want to do away with them, let them do it out of their own will and terms. There are plenty of men and women in the Muslim world that are working to bring social change. In one of my criminal justice classes I met a man who believed that hitting a women is for the weak and belonged to an organization that helps women from muslim countries by helping them get away from the extremists. Their other mission is to teach the next generation of muslims wife beating and honor killings are wrong.

In the end you will walk out.

[Char]

Not all Muslims are wife beating, misogynist, blood craving people who enjoy publically executing people.

where do these tangents come from?? Like he was just saying "Murder is bad, even as part of a culture" but then you go off on this thing about not all Muslims being insane (which we already knew).

However, to say that your social norms are the Golden Standard that all people must abide is something I disagree with.

i dunno i think not loving murdering people should be a social norm everywhere
because

it's murder