Google's new attempt at stopping "loveism" activities. This time its code.

[RarwMuffinz]

Scratch is a simplified programming language that is similar to this. It was developed by the folks down at MIT, and is designed for children. It's pretty great.

I already addressed the difference, scroll up a wee bit please

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[SeventhSandwich]

Scratch is a simplified programming language that is similar to this. It was developed by the folks down at MIT, and is designed for children. It's pretty great.

That's totally different though. Scratch gives you tons of different tools to work with much like software libraries do. Sure, the syntax is still very watered down but it's more open ended. Kids get to learn how things like conditional logic, project planning, and object oriented programming work. There's thousands of projects you can do with Scratch and much of it is translatable in some way or another to actual programming.

I think the difference is that Scratch teaches really young kids how to 'think' like a programmer without all the syntax and intricacies that can make it challenging. The projects on Made w/ Code don't really do that at all.

I don't think those first things are supposed to be the focus
and regardless of that, they aren't there to teach you how to code anything. the point is to show you what you can do.

Problem is you /can't/ do that unless you actually learn how to code stuff, and so what has the website actually done to solve to problem?

[RarwMuffinz]

Seventh makes a great well rounded argument. If you want to code try Code.org or Scratch. But for gods sake don't go to made with code

[SeventhSandwich]

Seventh makes a great well rounded argument. If you want to code try Code.org or Scratch. But for gods sake don't go to made with code

I think that if the educational system was better, you could actually introduce kids to real programming languages by 5th grade. By that time most kids know enough math to program interesting stuff, and the rest they can find out while working with the language.

[Night Fox]

Problem is you /can't/ do that unless you actually learn how to code stuff, and so what has the website actually done to solve to problem?

well, first of all, it's creating interest. you can see what programming can do without knowing how to do it yourself. I decided to learn to use HTML because I saw websites, and I wanted to be able to make my own. the websites that inspired that weren't websites with lists of resources for learning HTML. but it still did it

and secondly
https://www.madewithcode.com/resources

[RarwMuffinz]

I think that if the educational system was better, you could actually introduce kids to real programming languages by 5th grade. By that time most kids know enough math to program interesting stuff, and the rest they can find out while working with the language.

My school brought coding with scratch to us in the 3rd grade. Since then I have become an affluent coder in a few languages. I think that if google really wants to make a change, they should try and teach coding to kids in schools. Hell we need a petition to add basic coding to elementary standard teaching.

[SeventhSandwich]

well, first of all, it's creating interest. you can see what programming can do without knowing how to do it yourself. I decided to learn to use HTML because I saw websites, and I wanted to be able to make my own. the websites that inspired that weren't websites with lists of resources for learning HTML. but it still did it

and secondly
https://www.madewithcode.com/resources

I don't think it's creating that much interest when it's not actually showing what real programmers did. If I was still a really young, impressionable kid, getting shown around an airplane factory by an aeronautical engineer would be a lot more interesting and inspiring to me than getting shown a bunch of pictures of airplanes that are already done being built.

As for the resources, I checked that out and it still doesn't teach anyone how to program. There's a project on how to make an LED bracelet, and although it does teach how to make a functional circuit, it doesn't explain how electricity passes through the diode and releases energy in the form of heat and light, it doesn't explain that it's called a 'diode' because electricity only flows one way, hell it doesn't even explain that LED stands for 'light-emitting diode'. It has no educational value and doesn't give kids anything that they could use to make other projects.

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imo programming courses should be taught at the start of middle school and be combined with math classes

[Daswiruch]

how the hell is this coding?

[sorrel]

http://imgur.com/gallery/BNCgvtL
Sort of relevant

[Kochieboy]

> wah women aren't being treated equally in society
> actually women are treated fairly, if not specially, due to stupid double standards
> STOP ABUSING ME, RAPE RAPE RAPE

Basically trying to talk to a radical feminist.

I hate how women bicker about not being equal, when really they are being treated equal, if not higher. It's just the rare few, that vocalize. Men also don't get treated equal as well, but you don't see a men's rights activists on the streets.

[/Pacha]

http://imgur.com/gallery/BNCgvtL
Sort of relevant

this infographic acts like there's no problem with the way women and men are paid today, and I'm just going to quote the one comment on it that stood out to me

What this info graphic DOESN'T cover is the statistics on women who work the same job as men for the same hours yet still make less.

[Rally]

this infographic acts like there's no problem with the way women and men are paid today, and I'm just going to quote the one comment on it that stood out to me

If women got payed less for doing the same work, why don't large businesses outsource all work to women? They hold the majority of college degrees, anyway.

The 'women get payed less for the same job' argument has never provided any backing evidence beyond personal anecdotes.

[*FacePalm*]

> wah women aren't being treated equally in society
> actually women are treated fairly, if not specially, due to stupid double standards
> STOP ABUSING ME, RAPE RAPE RAPE

Basically trying to talk to a radical feminist.

I hate how women bicker about not being equal, when really they are being treated equal, if not higher. It's just the rare few, that vocalize. Men also don't get treated equal as well, but you don't see a men's rights activists on the streets.

[/Pacha]

If women got payed less for doing the same work, why don't large businesses outsource all work to women? They hold the majority of college degrees, anyway.

The 'women get payed less for the same job' argument has never provided any backing evidence beyond personal anecdotes.

um who in their right mind outsources work to women only. no company is going to do that, that's a terrible idea

the point is they want to be paid equally if they work in a field normally done by a man, not take over all the fields that men normally work in

http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/graduating-to-a-pay-gap-the-earnings-of-women-and-men-one-year-after-college-graduation.pdf
http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/Behind-the-Pay-Gap.pdf