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[Taboo]

One thing that a really bugs me about evolution is the gradual changes
what benifits does that bird-lizard animal have in between transforming?
Or did it just suddenly pop into another animal?

someone should have attended high school biology

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[Badger]

Wow. Watcn this thread turn into another "Evolution vs creaton" derails

so far no one is being stupid or no one has lashed out, its semi related too


I don't like biology, physics is much more fun

[SeventhSandwich]

Don't worry, i'm not trying to single you out specifically for your "narcissism". I'm simply warning against looking at one page and assuming you can continue to pick apart all others. You should definetly try your best to find a point in that website where it makes you stop and think. I say its more appropriate in the research methodology.

You know, I like your mentality because there's really nothing wrong with skepticism as long as it gets done well. But I hope you know for your own sake that creationism is an indefensible position. It has all the facts pointing against it.

Wow. Watcn this thread turn into another "Evolution vs creaton" derails

That's my fault for instigating Planr. But in my defense, he /did/ promise me a massive pile of evidence for creationism and refused to deliver it for 3 or 4 months.

[Doomonkey]

someone should have attended high school biology

Rather than criticize him, you could explain things to him.

[GhostStar]

so far no one is being stupid or no one has lashed out, its semi related too


I don't like biology, physics is much more fun

its gettin there.

bitches history is better than physics and biology

[Taboo]

Rather than criticize him, you could explain things to him.

We're on the internet.

[Count]

One thing that a really bugs me about evolution is the gradual changes

what benifits does that bird-lizard animal have in between transforming?
Or did it just suddenly pop into another animal?

Nothing is transforming, its simply adaptations that animals go through with one goal in mind. Reproducing.

[GhostStar]

We're on the internet.

right, that makes everything better...

[Doomonkey]

Nothing is transforming, its simply adaptations that animals go through with one goal in mind. Reproducing.

Let me rephrase his uncertainty:

You have a reptile thing.

You have a bird thing.

There had to be lots of intermediate steps with non-functioning wings and feathers and stuff. He is wondering how these creatures were viable enough to reproduce and continue to evolve.

[superslayer]

The one argument that creationists use against evolution, the one where they say "How am i supposed to believe that our universe just randomly created itself out of nothing, and through perfect circumstances made it so we are here today?"

I mean, is that any less crazy than "this all mighty being decided to create a universe in a week"

[SeventhSandwich]

One thing that a really bugs me about evolution is the gradual changes

what benifits does that bird-lizard animal have in between transforming?
Or did it just suddenly pop into another animal?

Evolution isn't necessarily about making a population of organisms better at fighting, flying, breathing fire, etc. It's about making them more suited to the environment they live in so that they reproduce more. Say that there was a wet-spell and all the trees grew in a forest, and so all the food was higher up in the air. The bird-lizards that hold the genes for bigger wings can fly higher and get the food. The bird-lizards that don't have the genes for bigger wings can't fly high enough to get the food and more of them starve. So what ends up happening is that the big-winged bird-lizards end up surviving long enough (on average) to mate and have more baby bird-lizards, and so gradually you end up with a group of bird-lizards that don't have any more small-winged bird-lizards because it was naturally selected out of the population.

So in short, the important thing to note is that 'fitness' doesn't mean stronger or better, it just means more suited for the environment that the population lives in.

EDIT: I think I completely misread your question. There's a lot of differences in the environments between the cretaceous period and the modern day Earth. You can read about some of the driving environmental stresses for wing-development by reading about Archaeopteryx and other species that people call the 'bridge' between dinosaurs and birds.

[Taboo]

right, that makes everything better...

In the time it would take me to type out a (surely over simplified) explanation it could be Googled countless times.

[Count]

Nice one sandwich. You should come teach at my biology lectures. My prof is way less clear about the simple stuff.

[SeventhSandwich]

The one argument that creationists use against evolution, the one where they say "How am i supposed to believe that our universe just randomly created itself out of nothing, and through perfect circumstances made it so we are here today?"

I mean, is that any less crazy than "this all mighty being decided to create a universe in a week"

But evolution doesn't explain how the universe came to be. It just explains why organisms developed different traits. The question you're asking isn't answered by biologists, it's studied by astronomers and physicists. Biology is really only useful for explaining life on Earth.

Nice one sandwich. You should come teach at my biology lectures. My prof is way less clear about the simple stuff.

that would sure be neat

[superslayer]

But evolution doesn't explain how the universe came to be. It just explains why organisms developed different traits. The question you're asking isn't answered by biologists, it's studied by astronomers and physicists. Biology is really only useful for explaining life on Earth.
that would sure be neat

I know this, but it's still what i hear creationists say against evolution.