let's debate guns

[Epicduke]

They is already tough regulation and background checks in place. Fully automatic weapons are not things you can buy off the shelf like bread.

i was just stating what i thought about it, not asking for changes...

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[Xphifre]

i have a rifle in my closet and a handgun downstairs incase of a home invasion
no verbal warning
i shoot bitches on sight

[Biostorm]

As long as being a Republican counts as a mental disability I'm fine 

[Aces]

With that logic you shouldn't be trusting ANYONE with a gun. Police come from the populace. WE arm them with our tax dollars. Nobody is about to let them be the only ones who possess weapons of this manner.

Police are the main force in the country with guns who are meant to uphold the peace.
While they are from the populace they are trained more than any one civilian with a gun permit and are charged with the duty of upholding peace and finding the best solution to violence.

They are the standard for which gun-owners are supposed to emulate.

1. Long range self defense
2. Sport/Range Shooting

Your point about the stuff in public is pretty fair. Those guys wearing the weapons on street corners protesting the government, or open carrying in a starbucks are nothing more than complete flamboyant richards and mall ninjas.

However in many places you can just walk around with a gun. You have to check with law enforcement and get an approved conceal carry license. To get one you have to have a legitimate reason for having one.

Legimate reasons might be:
1. You are a security contractor/body guard
2. Multiple attempts on your life have been made by gangs
3. You are politicians who is too poor to afford body guards

Depending on the state like California, you don't need a conceal permit if are a business owner and you want to defend your home and business.

on full-auto weapons:
Any weapon that is fully automatic, fires explosive projectiles, has a large barrel, shoots flames, etc is considered a destructive device and labeled as a class 3 weapon. These weapons are illegal to own. However you can posses these weapons by applying for a permits to own one these. You have to go through a very deep background check and you have to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp.
On home defense: If you are smart, you don't have to kill the intruder. You can just point the gun at them and tell the leave. If just tell them to leave while being under armed that won't send as strong of a message. You can only kill someone in your home if you feel like your life is in danger and killing the person was the only option left.

I agree.

And I think I said sporting later in another post but I didn't in this one so you're right for listing it.

As for the reasons I don't see #2 being a practical reason because it's pretty vague and probably unrealistic in theory.
The class 3 weapon restriction makes it even more unnecessary and a hassle to have an automatic rifle. Other than just hanging it up to look cool I can't see needing an assault rifle to down one armed person.

[Tayasaurus]

the second amendment has nothing to do with home defence.
its purpose was entirely to match us against our own corrupt government if and when the time came.

the fact that they have better weapons then us is unconstitutional.
abd its no surprise they want to ban as many weapons as posible. they need the advantage over us.

the problem is that all the liberal kiddies love sucking on the government teet so its probably only going to get worse. Get the young population under your belt and you're set for anything you want to happen.

[Aces]

It's usually a misdemeanor to carry bb guns openly in public.


The police can't address crime immediately, self defense is more important than you'd like to think.


School shootings don't happen often enough to be a factor, though.


Any situation where you're attacked and the police cannot respond immediately. If somebody attacked you without a firearm with intent to kill you, your survival chances would depend mostly on if you can defend yourself.

Not saying this situation is likely, because it's realllllly unlikely.

Eh, the way I see it is if someone is pointing a gun at you with the intent to harm you, trying to reach for a concesled gun is a death sentence in itself. Having a gun on your person may diminish the chance that you'll be a victim, but this is all hypothetical anyways.

No shootings become factors when talking about gun vs gun self defense. Whoever shoots first wins.

[Tayasaurus]

Police are the main force in the country with guns who are meant to uphold the peace.
While they are from the populace they are trained more than any one civilian with a gun permit and are charged with the duty of upholding peace and finding the best solution to violence.

They are the standard for which gun-owners are supposed to emulate.

You're missing the point. The Police are not some force of angels descended from the heavens to inflict justice upon all that is evil. They are regular people like you and me. And with that come human traits. Which includes crime. Its stupid to disarm/minimalize those who don't carry a badge just because another average joe doesn't think they're "qualified" or trained well enough to use one. There are many citizens who use and own guns responsibly and know the law of wielding one as such just as good as any police man or woman would. The police have not been nor ever will be the source for the standard we apply to weapons today.

[Harm94]

The class 3 weapon restriction makes it even more unnecessary and a hassle to have an automatic rifle. Other than just hanging it up to look cool I can't see needing an assault rifle to down one armed person.

The people that get these class weapons are the ones who do it for recreational use because they are cool?

Want to blow up a car on the farm with a grenade launcher? Lets do it.
Want to fire a minigun at a stack of melons? Lets do it.

Also full auto isn't that big of a deal. The bullets do not come at as a precise stream like the media wants you to think. You waste ammo and aren't going to hit anything, that's why all militaries train their soldiers to fire in semi-auto.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Honestly debating conceal and carry permits never gets anywhere, I don't think anyone is truly comfortable with it, even the people carrying the firearm.

The responsibility you carry with a firearm is greater than a lot of people think, and most people have no idea what they'll do or how they'll react when they have to draw a gun.

[Badger]

welcome to Canada make sure your neighborhood has a rifle if you live in the north to deal with animals

[Aces]

I never said police were supposed to be 100% trust worthy because there is no way in hell they are.

The standard of police, however, is that they try to retain the peace. Civilians aren't held to the same standard in several ways because they aren't restricted like policemen in some aspects. In some ways policemen have more capabilities under the law.

But it's especially a concern when law-enforcement doesn't do it's job and civilians take that as a reason to take the law into their own hands. It's like a civilian being able to rescue a kid from a burning building better than a fireman.

The people that get these class weapons are the ones who do it for recreational use because they are cool?

Wasn't saying it like that.
But I don't see a reason for owning these weapons since they're not as useful as semi-autos.

[McZealot]

The standard of police, however, is that they try to retain the peace

i think most police officers are starfishs who graduate highschool and want an excuse to be starfishs afterwards and still be successful

or they just want to shoot people

[Harm94]

i think most police officers are starfishs who graduate highschool and want an excuse to be starfishs afterwards and still be successful

or they just want to shoot people

Getting a career in law enforcement is hard. It's not so much as the physical aspect, but the mental aspect. There are a lot of background checks done along with psych evaluations and some times a lie detector test. With a lot of departments you will get a lot of applicants, but very few get hired. Those that make it might become corrupt over time depending on how much stuff they have been through.

Another thing to take into consideration is that the higher standards have gone up and they are now looking for college educated applicants. Before that they just took people out of highschool and former military people. Military people are more favorable since police are paramilitary organization and work with a military structure. Those with military experience are usually more disciplined and less likely to quit their jobs than the college educated officer.

[blockguy™]

Military people are more favorable since police are paramilitary organization and work with a military structure. Those with military experience are usually more disciplined and less likely to quit their jobs than the college educated officer.

that's why they hire veterans for PMC's, police, and other stuff
they have been through the weird stuff that civillians have not

[XR-7]

I'm all for conceal carry (pistols only) and personal property defense (whatever you have), but I really don't think it's okay to bring large weapons (SMGs, assault rifles, etc) in public. Anyone who does so should have the guns in their immediate possession taken and pay fines.