Author Topic: Help me prove that time exists  (Read 2162 times)

can't you prove it using a microwave


« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 01:56:50 PM by tnatsissA »

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

One of my friends believes that time is an illusion - it doesn't exist as an actual force that can change anything. It's just a measurement of the chronological sequence of things

Time is like distance; a measurement invented by the brain. Let me give an example.

Distance in itself is not real but it will allow your brain to determine what it will take to reach a certain point within the universe. For example, it will take less energy to walk 10 kilometers than it would be to walk 15 kilometers.

On the other hand, time is not real but it allows your brain to determine the chronological order of things. For example, an event that happens in 10 minutes will occur sooner than something that will happen in 15 minutes.

So basically, time is the way your brain perceives chronological sequence. It is real to us, but the universe does not see time. Only computers such as your brain view chronological progression this way.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 02:16:13 PM by Emmanuel Goldstein »

time is a unit of measurement isn't it?
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« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 02:45:04 PM by Lego lad »

On the other hand, time is not real but it allows your brain to determine the chronological order of things. For example, an event that happens in 10 minutes will occur sooner than something that will happen in 15 minutes.
Two atomic clocks were synchronized to eachother. One was left on the ground and one went on a plane ride. They measured both clocks after the flight and the one which was on the plane was a little bit behind; time was going slower for it because it was travelling faster. The faster you move, the slower time goes.
Time is most certainly real. The units we make to express it are real too. 1 second is 9,192,631,770 vibrations of a cesium 133 atom. Those vibrations are real; each one takes time.

Time is most certainly real. The units we make to express it are real too. 1 second is 9,192,631,770 vibrations of a cesium 133 atom. Those vibrations are real; each one takes time.
Those 9,192,631,770 vibrations of a cesium 133 atom are real and can be observed. You cannot observe time. Only the effects of chronological progression.

So basically, time is the way your brain perceives chronological sequence. It is real to us, but the universe does not see time. Only computers such as your brain view chronological progression this way.

Yes, time is relative and a result of people's perceptions. The theory of relativity proves this.
It's not really different from saying you don't believe in free will. All our choices are indeed controlled by electric impulses and chemicals in our brains, but you could still argue that free will exists but is just relative. That is, 'free will' exists as we perceive it and is relative, but in an absolute sense nothing differentiates us from any other system of electric and chemical reactions.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 04:04:14 PM by DrenDran »

first we need to prove that we exist and this isn't some sort of long dream

Well the easiest way to prove that time exists is that you remember what you had for dinner last night, right?

Those 9,192,631,770 vibrations of a cesium 133 atom are real and can be observed. You cannot observe time. Only the effects of chronological progression.
Time is what makes chronological progression happen. Your claim makes no sense. You cannot "observe" time because time is not a physical object. It's not a particle. But it still exists.

He's trolling you or not worth your time
was this an intended pun

Time is what makes chronological progression happen. Your claim makes no sense. You cannot "observe" time because time is not a physical object. It's not a particle. But it still exists.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Time is the fourth dimension and a measure in which events can be ordered from the past through the present into the future,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and also the measure of durations of events and the intervals between them.
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I see what you are talking about, but to clarify things, we are defining "chronological progression" as time as a force, and "time" as the school of measurement. Wikipedia uses "time" for both of these definitions. So in our definitions, time does not exist. Your argument would be correct otherwise. "Chronological progression" is the wrong word to use, since I invented it for the sake of the argument.

Time is relative and a result of people's perceptions. The theory of relativity proves this.

Click here to view Wikipedia's citations.

I see what you are talking about, but to clarify things, we are defining "chronological progression" as time as a force, and "time" as the school of measurement. Wikipedia uses "time" for both of these definitions. So in our definitions, time does not exist. Your argument would be correct otherwise. "Chronological progression" is the wrong word to use, since I invented it for the sake of the argument.

What I'm saying is that even though time is not a physical object, time is part of the laws of physics and is necessary for anything in the universe to make sense. It's like saying the meter (measurement of distance) doesn't exist. Of course it doesn't; it's just a tool made by humans to help us understand the universe. But there's obviously distance between objects, just as there's obviously time between events.