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Only it's relevant. If you honestly liked Enterprise and its' horrendous intro then there is no way anyone should take your opinion on Trek anything seriously.
And that also means no one should take your opinion on anything regarding Star Trek with any serious demeanor either, as you like Star Trek Online and its' horrendous gameplay mechanics.

Enterprise had very high ratings when it first premiered. The storylines were excellent (the Xindi storyarc for season 3 was an ace in the hole), and just because the intro is of a different musical style than traditional Star Trek themes doesn't make it any worse. IIRC the show mostly died because they shifted its time slots (and some poor episode scripts in season 4). Enterprise started out good and stayed good for the majority of its run, but had an unfortunately bad ending. Star Trek Online started out bad and it is still bad. The game has usually scored average ratings at the best, and there are so many things wrong with it that I could write a 5-paragraph text about it if you want me to.

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While you're partially correct, that this is mostly a matter of opinion, are you really one to settle for mediocrity in the games you play? I thought you had better taste than that.

Besides:Whoa, it's almost like things can change over the course of 3 years. (Rumor has it that after the devs are done with DR they're going to be revamping the Romulan Mystery arc)
You know, I played Team Fortress 2 back in 2008 and it was just so boring! There was no weapon variety and all the maps were the same. 0/10.
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played this game back in 2011 and again recently in the last month.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2014, 12:03:42 PM by Planr »

no i was referring to you mentioning his relationship with Enterprise
Okay I'm going to grant you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't know what Enterprise is. Him liking that and trying to have an opinion on something else would be like a food critic saying that his favorite dinner is Friskies Shredded Salmon Bits. It just throws his credibility out the window.

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You did one mission with me and comr4de. That hardly counts for anything.

Okay I'm going to grant you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't know what Enterprise is. Him liking that and trying to have an opinion on something else would be like a food critic saying that his favorite dinner is Friskies Shredded Salmon Bits. It just throws his credibility out the window.
Well, why don't you tell us why you dislike Enterprise so much, aside from petty nitpickings about the intro song? I think the intro song is great. Its meant to capture for the audience the emotional feel that the people of Earth and the Enterprise have at the time; feelings of a child growing up from humble origins to become something stronger. Its simple guitar instrumentals and lyrics embody the feeling of Earth being so tiny and fragile, and the Enterprise embarking humbly on a journey to explore the galaxy.
Star Trek TNG's theme was loud and bold, with horns and a full-blown orchestra, because it fits with the emotional feel of the series. The Enterprise D is portrayed as a MIGHTY, powerful starship with luxury and grandeur unlike most other ships in the galaxy.

Also, who's to say the critic likes Friskies because of the way they taste? It could be that they're his favorite because he is often busy traveling to different restuarants, and doesn't have time for a full sitdown meal, so he just gets a quick-fix meal like Friskies, and since it's food he can fix quickly, its convenience makes it his favorite.

You did one mission with me and comr4de. That hardly counts for anything.
From your limited point of view, I can see how you can see it that way. However, I spent most of the recent time I spent playing it on my own.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2014, 12:12:43 PM by Planr »

Okay I'm going to grant you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't know what Enterprise is. Him liking that and trying to have an opinion on something else would be like a food critic saying that his favorite dinner is Friskies Shredded Salmon Bits. It just throws his credibility out the window.

just because a food critic has a preference doesn't mean he's wrong.

Enterprise had very high ratings when it first premiered. The storylines were excellent (the Xindi storyarc for season 3 was an ace in the hole), and just because the intro is of a different musical style than traditional Star Trek themes doesn't make it any worse. IIRC the show mostly died because they shifted its time slots (and some poor episode scripts in season 4).
I... Don't know where to start with this.

I... Don't know where to start with this.
I take it you didn't like Enterprise either?

Yes, for a variety of reasons. Awful episodic pacing, nonsensical plot lines, clear abhorrent deviations from existing canon.

A helpful chart:


Bernd Schreier does a much better job summing it all up than I.

just because a food critic has a preference doesn't mean he's wrong.
Opinions are subjective, sure, but if someone says "It is my opinion that cat food is the pinnacle of culinary advancement", or "I think the Peel P50 is the ultimate automotive achievement", or "Plan 9 From Outer Space is the greatest movie ever produced", or "Enterprise had excellent storylines", you can safely disregard such opinions as coming from a total madman.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's not handicapped. Enterprise was so totally and unbelievably dull that it can't even be appreciated from a "so bad it's good" aspect. It's just so dull it's boring. So many interesting plot ideas that were ruined by awful, awful scriptwriting. So much potential for exploring how the Federation was founded and for a totally new take on the series, and on episode loving 4 we're already on a holodeck, which shouldn't have even been invented yet. By the end of the first season there are already Romulans up to their old tricks. And then there was that entire loving time war plot that went NOWHERE. The only good episodes to come out of all 4 seasons was the Terran Empire two-parter.

That loving song was all the warning we should have needed to know that Enterprise was going to be a total bomb.

Opinions are subjective, sure, but if someone says "It is my opinion that cat food is the pinnacle of culinary advancement", or "I think the Peel P50 is the ultimate automotive achievement", or "Plan 9 From Outer Space is the greatest movie ever produced", or "Enterprise had excellent storylines", you can safely disregard such opinions as coming from a total madman.

The madman still doesn't have to praise your precious game.

Honestly, Qwepir, you're reacting really inappropriately.

The madman still doesn't have to praise your precious game.
Oh I'm not arguing to convince him, I'm explaining why anyone else who views this thread shouldn't pay attention to him

Honestly, Qwepir, you're reacting really inappropriately.
And this discussion doesn't even loving involve you, are you looking for a fight or something?

Oh I'm not arguing to convince him, I'm explaining why anyone else who views this thread shouldn't pay attention to him

Because he likes a show that you don't?

And this discussion doesn't even loving involve you, are you looking for a fight or something?

You seem to be.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2014, 12:34:05 PM by ResonKinetic »

Qwepir was looking for a fight the moment he thought he'd try to act cool by insulting and personally attacking people who like/dislike different things than him. He always does this. I wonder sometimes if he just hates me. Regardless, his behavior is something to be regarded with contempt.

Yes, for a variety of reasons. Awful episodic pacing, nonsensical plot lines, clear abhorrent deviations from existing canon.

A helpful chart:


Bernd Schreier does a much better job summing it all up than I.

#10 is bullcrap; T'Pol has been injured and irradiated many times. How about the time she became addicted to the dangerous substance they were coating the ship with during the Xindi mission to protect the ship from the spatial distortions in the region. Obviously there are some things she will have immunity to that the human crew members did not; she's shown as well quite often that she's not invincible. Jolene Blalock did an excellent job portraying her.
There have been many times in all the other series where vulcans such as Tuvok or Spock have said they can withstand harsher environments for the sake of doing missions for the weaker crew members. So, 10 is moot.

#9, I don't even see how that's an issue. Odo contemplated many times to leave DS9 to join the Founders, but he decided to stay aboard. Worf, there've been tons of times where he wanted to leave Starfleet, and was offered to do so by people such as Gowron (DS9 the way of the warrior), but he decided to stay as well. This kind of plot element has happened across all the series. There is nothing unique about it.

#8 Archer pisses off the klingons? Lol. EVERY starfleet captain has pissed off the klingons at one point or another. Kirk vs Kor, Sisko vs Gowron. I could go on all day. Besides, for Humans in that day and age to not know how to appropriately treat Klingons is expected.

#7, almost every other star trek series has seen the ship's crews using various methods to track cloak ships. I think it's more than safe to assume that over time, the methods ships used to cloak themselves changed in response.

#6, that's not even worthy of arguing about. it's such a stupid point. Worf has had fun before blowing up stuff as well.

#5, I don't see how that's worthy of complaining about either. We have seen enemy characters in virtually every series contemplate how to destroy the protagonists.

#4, Trip gets himself into embarrasing situations? How about Captain Picard day? Or Worf with Alexander and the clowns on the holodeck? Or the countless episodes with Q trying to seduce Janeway? Or Wesley Crusher and his stupid attempts to get girls? Again, moot.

#3, is (you guessed it) moot as well. In every series, the protagonists have always had to deal with annoying people. The countless "starfleet admirals" in TNG and DS9 that were supposedly nice people but were just plain jerks. The annoying races Voyager had to regrettably deal with to trade supplies in the Delta Quadrant. Remember the Tac-Tac?

#2, I cite Mr. Spock's reactions to the behavior of his human crewmates in TOS.

#1, so what? he gets captured often. a key point to Enterprise is that it shows how much weaker humanity and starfleet used to be.

the crew can act immature at many times, but that's perfect, because it helps show how Starfleet has matured by the time TOS and TNG came around. The key point to Enterprise is Humanity maturing on the galactic stage. Most Humans at Enterprise's time still had only seen aliens probably once or twice in their lives. The few like Archer and his crew are still in the generations of future humans learning how to coexist and get along with other aliens. They're just Humans acting like normal Earth humans. The future humans in TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY are humans acting like normal intergalactic Federation humans.

Enterprise is not bad. It's pretty good. It appears that the differences between it and the other series being intentional is something you've simply misunderstood. The reasons you listed for disliking it are not exclusive to it; if you hate it for those reasons, you should likewise also hate every other series as well, because they've all had tons of inconsistencies and problems.

I've managed to rationalize most of the inconsistencies and non-believable plot points in Star Trek using deductive reasoning.
For example, Data can suddenly turn on/off his emotion chip in 1st contact, but he couldn't do that in Generations; and the writers never explain this, so it is up to us the audience to come up with our own rationalization. Now since there is a fairly substantial time gap between when Generations occurred and First Contact occurred, it is safe to deduce that Starfleet scientists had discovered a way to allow Data to toggle his emotion chip at will).
« Last Edit: October 14, 2014, 03:45:52 PM by Planr »

#10 is bullcrap; T'Pol has been injured and irradiated many times. How about the time she became addicted to the dangerous substance they were coating the ship with during the Xindi mission to protect the ship from the spatial distortions in the region. Obviously there are some things she will have immunity to that the human crew members did not; she's shown as well quite often that she's not invincible. Jolene Blalock did an excellent job portraying her.
There have been many times in all the other series where vulcans such as Tuvok or Spock have said they can withstand harsher environments for the sake of doing missions for the weaker crew members. So, 10 is moot.

#9, I don't even see how that's an issue. Odo contemplated many times to leave DS9 to join the Founders, but he decided to stay aboard. Worf, there've been tons of times where he wanted to leave Starfleet, and was offered to do so by people such as Gowron (DS9 the way of the warrior), but he decided to stay as well. This kind of plot element has happened across all the series. There is nothing unique about it.

#8 Archer pisses off the klingons? Lol. EVERY starfleet captain has pissed off the klingons at one point or another. Kirk vs Kor, Sisko vs Gowron. I could go on all day. Besides, for Humans in that day and age to not know how to appropriately treat Klingons is expected.

#7, almost every other star trek series has seen the ship's crews using various methods to track cloak ships. I think it's more than safe to assume that over time, the methods ships used to cloak themselves changed in response.

#6, that's not even worthy of arguing about. it's such a stupid point. Worf has had fun before blowing up stuff as well.

#5, I don't see how that's worthy of complaining about either. We have seen enemy characters in virtually every series contemplate how to destroy the protagonists.

#4, Trip gets himself into embarrasing situations? How about Captain Picard day? Or Worf with Alexander and the clowns on the holodeck? Or the countless episodes with Q trying to seduce Janeway? Or Wesley Crusher and his stupid attempts to get girls? Again, moot.

#3, is (you guessed it) moot as well. In every series, the protagonists have always had to deal with annoying people. The countless "starfleet admirals" in TNG and DS9 that were supposedly nice people but were just plain jerks. The annoying races Voyager had to regrettably deal with to trade supplies in the Delta Quadrant. Remember the Tac-Tac?

#2, I cite Mr. Spock's reactions to the behavior of his human crewmates in TOS.

#1, so what? he gets captured often. a key point to Enterprise is that it shows how much weaker humanity and starfleet used to be.
Literally all of those were just Bernd showing how often a certain event takes place in the show. The only one that's worth arguing over is 1 because it's ridiculous that archer is easier to capture than princess loving daisy


PS Q only tried to seduce janeway once

The only one that's worth arguing over is 1 because it's ridiculous that archer is easier to capture than princess loving daisy
I can agree about that. Archer did get captured way too often.

Regardless, there are many redeeming qualities to the show, IMO. The ship itself does me in.

My favorite part so far is how every single Kazon ship I've come across has the "Enemy is unusually weak!" trait to them. Feels authentic as hell.