Author Topic: Anyone see the latest Hobbit movie? (possible spoilers, be wary) (Read 1265 times)

Georges · December 21, 2014, 10:30:13 PM

Quote from: Trogtor on December 21, 2014, 10:27:32 PM

dwarfs, elves, towns people and the orcs are actually two different armies

I'm a bit confused about how it went in the movie, cause I'd personally definitely consider the eagles an army (hundreds of birds that came and completely rekt the orcs should be considered an army, right?), but then like you said, there were 2 orc/goblin armies, and the men, and the dwarves, and the elves, which would be 6 armies.

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Trogtor · December 21, 2014, 10:36:22 PM

i don't think the eagles would considered an army. because then the bats would be considered too

they also talk about how "they were bread for one thing" (war) which means they aren't considered one itself

Georges · December 21, 2014, 10:37:17 PM

Quote from: Trogtor on December 21, 2014, 10:36:22 PM

i don't think the eagles would considered an army. because then the bats would be considered too

they also talk about how "they were bread for one thing" (war)

no

the eagles are definitely an army

look at this page and go down to the part about the battle

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Battle_of_Five_Armies

it's not even fair to not consider them an army, since they saved the darn day

Trogtor · December 21, 2014, 10:41:09 PM

Quote from: Georges on December 21, 2014, 10:37:17 PM

no

the eagles are definitely an army

look at this page and go down to the part about the battle

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Battle_of_Five_Armies

it's not even fair to not consider them an army, since they saved the darn day

Georges · December 21, 2014, 10:44:17 PM

Quote from: Trogtor on December 21, 2014, 10:41:09 PM

OK. Here's another page; http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Five_Armies

lOok at it this way. We have the men, who did not plan to get involved in the battle; they wanted their gold from Thorin. We had the Elves, who were after their share of the treasure (specifically some jewels). They didn't plan to get involved in that specific battle. We had the Dwarves, who did plan to defend Erebor. That's three. We can all agree on that, right?

THen we had Azog's army, which he entirely planned BOTH parts, even if they arrived at different times. Besides, based on the image you quoted, there should have been a massive number of wargs involved. I don't recall seeing very many wargs in the movie. Then we had a great number of eagles that swept in a destroyed the orc army, siding with the elves, men, and dwarves.

That would give us an army of

Orcs
Dwarves
Men
Eagles
Elves

5 races, 5 armies.

Gandalf · December 21, 2014, 10:49:42 PM

Who do you think you are, Trogtor, to try to say that the Eagles were not an army?

Were you there?

Trogtor · December 21, 2014, 10:54:28 PM

the book says it's the wargs.

https://atolkienistperspective.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/the-which-five-armies-debate-settling-it-once-and-for-all/

only reason i was so sure was because i watched it with my friend who read the book and he said it definitely wasnt the eagles and that it was on the orcs side

Georges · December 21, 2014, 10:56:46 PM

Very well. I admit I was wrong then.

D:

In that case, I would have called it the battle of six armies, but w/e

Trogtor · December 21, 2014, 10:59:34 PM

at first i thought it was too because who expect some wolfs to be an army

Georges · December 21, 2014, 11:01:16 PM

Quote from: Trogtor on December 21, 2014, 10:59:34 PM

at first i thought it was too because who expect some wolfs to be an army

well, keep in mind that the wolves are indeed a very independent group/race

I still find it odd though, because those Eagles really sure did act like an army in terms of destroying the enemy, lol