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What do you believe?

God exists!
47 (33.3%)
There is no such thing as god...
32 (22.7%)
I don't believe in god but I'm open to the thought.
62 (44%)

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Author Topic: Is it safe to say god doesn't exist now?  (Read 7213 times)

What made God or the creator of everything?


this is a really good point too

What made God or the creator of everything?
I don't know. I use the term "God" loosely, as either the force or being that is responsible for this mess we call "life". The important thing would be to work backwards, though. We know the big bang. Once we figure out what caused that, then we can look at what came before that, and before that and so on so forth.

It's mostly irrelevant, though. I frankly don't give a damn. I care for the point of existence, not the for the thing that warranted it.

I don't know. I use the term "God" loosely, as either the force or being that is responsible for this mess we call "life". The important thing would be to work backwards, though. We know the big bang. Once we figure out what caused that, then we can look at what came before that, and before that and so on so forth.

It's mostly irrelevant, though. I frankly don't give a damn. I care for the point of existence, not the for the thing that warranted it.
Without any evidence of something creating the creator of all how can you say it was spiritual? Maybe the source was just some forgeted up scientifical thing that *poof* made stuff. Or how do we know that anything is real and this is all empty space created by who knows what?

it's all a government simulation

it's all a government simulation
But what made Government?!

This stuff is getting pretty deep.

the idea of claiming god doesn't exist is as ridiculous as claiming you know he does exist

the idea of claiming god doesn't exist is as ridiculous as claiming you know he does exist
not really. its easier to claim something doesnt exist than to claim it does

There is absolutely no way anybody could believe in "luck" or "coincidence".

How am I supposed to believe that's a construction of pure randomness?

you confuse yourself.
luck-random-spontanious are all completely different things. not even the slightest bit related.

luck especially is based on opportunity. opportunity is infinite, and can even be created by us.
but you people believe luck just means some uncontrolled number that you can have more or less of. and thats not what it means.

edgiest thread of tha year
Op waited for the next to last day dammit, we need something to out edge it tomorrow pronto!

Without any evidence of something creating the creator of all how can you say it was spiritual? Maybe the source was just some forgeted up scientifical thing that *poof* made stuff. Or how do we know that anything is real and this is all empty space created by who knows what?
Something has to create the rules.

As I said before, everything in existence operates by certain rules. I don't believe rules can just "exist". They have to be designed and implemented. I'm a game designer because I like to design, implement, twist and trial rules and use them to teach people.

This big bang occurred, and then (slowly) everything took form and started to follow certain rules. Patterns, if you will.

There's a brilliant mastermind who schemed these patterns. That's what I believe in. They were designed for a reason, and I want to know why.

you confuse yourself.
luck-random-spontanious are all completely different things. not even the slightest bit related.
I know that "luck" and "coincidence" and "random" are three separate terms for different events. I may not have made it clear, but I'm aware.

luck especially is based on opportunity. opportunity is infinite, and can even be created by us.
but you people believe luck just means some uncontrolled number that you can have more or less of. and thats not what it means.
I guess this is stupidity and hypocritical, but when I said that I don't believe in "luck", I probably should have used the specific "random luck". I do believe in the kind of luck that is based on a number of factors being correctly lined up at the correct time, which I guess is exactly what you said. But, as you mentioned, a lot of people don't see it that way, so it's hard to make myself clear to many people when most people don't really understand the definition of a word properly.


Something has to create the rules.

As I said before, everything in existence operates by certain rules. I don't believe rules can just "exist". They have to be designed and implemented. I'm a game designer because I like to design, implement, twist and trial rules and use them to teach people.

This big bang occurred, and then (slowly) everything took form and started to follow certain rules. Patterns, if you will.

There's a brilliant mastermind who schemed these patterns. That's what I believe in. They were designed for a reason, and I want to know why.
If rules can't 'just exist' how can the creator 'just exist'? While yes this is a repeated argument, it still stands, you can't say something can't just exist without saying how the thing that created exists.
Maybe there is a mystical being out there, maybe not. But I'm not going to write paragraph after paragraph explaining why something that has very little backing it up absolutely has to exists.

This discussion again.. Look why we all can't just be happy, respect each others opinions and move on, this goes for both christians and atheits, you can't change someone else anyway.

It's actually incredibly easy to accept Christianity from a scientific point of view. It's possible to be Christian and not deny scientific findings and evidence.

not really. its easier to claim something doesnt exist than to claim it does

Except for not at all, if following the scientific method.

Nobody can design an experiment to prove their hypothesis, so a claim in either direction is equally conjecture
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If rules can't 'just exist' how can the creator 'just exist'? While yes this is a repeated argument, it still stands, you can't say something can't just exist without saying how the thing that created exists.
Maybe there is a mystical being out there, maybe not. But I'm not going to write paragraph after paragraph explaining why something that has very little backing it up absolutely has to exists.
Let's not have the "Chicken or the Egg" discussion, but that basically is what it comes down to. Were there rules, or the rule maker first?

To me, "rules" are observations of how a system works and define what is the correct and incorrect order. When I say "observations", you have to remember that this comes from the "player perspective". We, humans, are all players. The world is one big game (see my pattern theory rants). And as we know, for every game, there is a designer who created the rules that allowed for the system to operate in the first place.

I know it sounds like troll logic, but basically I believe that while beings can exist without patterns and rules, there is no order. One thing I believe life is about is maintaining order (the "balance of the force", making sure that there's equal amounts of good and bad). The reason we exist is because something came and created the rules and patterns which form enough order for us to live.

That's a very chaotic way to explain what I believe in and I doubt it's going to change your mind much, but hopefully that at least answers your question to some degree.

Note: I can't answer the physics of how something comes into existence, and as I said before, I don't care. I'm discussing the spiritual/theoretical reasoning for why I believe there has to be something. I know barely anything on sciences relating to how life actually forms.