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Should GMOs be labelled?

Yes
19 (63.3%)
No
11 (36.7%)

Total Members Voted: 30

Author Topic: EU changes rules on GM crop cultivation [Should GMO's be labelled?]  (Read 11555 times)

Scientists don't even know what effects these will have on humans, perhaps they are good? But no bad effects are known, yet. We won't know until people start getting stomach cancer 20 years later.
Well, that's funny because here I have a bibliography of 1,783 studies investigating the human and environmental safety of GMOs. None of them say that you'll get stomach cancer. In fact, none of them say that anything bad will happen to you if you eat them. It's almost as if a massive amount of scientific evidence shows that they're completely safe.

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ge-crops-safety-pub-list-1.xls

There is a study that says vaccines cause autism, doesn't mean it's true. You need multiple studies to have even a chance of proving something.
Not even that. The study itself was performed with blatantly tampered methodology that produced false-positive tests for Measles viral DNA in samples from autistic kids. The only people who don't recognize that Andrew Wakefield tampered with the scientific method are conspiracy theorists who probably never even read his study to begin with.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 03:15:24 AM by SeventhSandwich »

the reason its questionable is because every gene isnt simply an on/off switch to a specific trait.
when we completed mapping our own, we were disappointed to find MUCH less then was expected.
every gene is a trait(or lack of) of like 20 things, most we may never learn of.
so there is questionable long term changes to find out 50-100 years from now.

but the nutritional value or safety of gmo crops are only a tiny part of why they are (maybe) bad.
there is the corporation issue as well. a few companies on earth control the growth, and sales of most of the worlds food right now. forcing small countries to ONLY grow their patented gmo seeds so they can earn a cut.
destroying neighboring farms for cross pollinating because they own the rights to those new crops.

and the bee extinctions are now being blamed on gmos and monsanto's round up.

the same company whom creates the new seeds, also creates a pesticide that only works for their stuff, also creates new gmo bees they set loose in the world because normal bees refuse to pollinate gmo plants.

since corporations control governments, the only way a normal person can opt out from supporting that, is to not buy the products.
so the LEAST they should have to do, is label gmo stuff. but they lobby to be protected from exposing who and what products they are.

the reason its questionable is because every gene isnt simply an on/off switch to a specific trait.
when we completed mapping our own, we were disappointed to find MUCH less then was expected.
every gene is a trait(or lack of) of like 20 things, most we may never learn of.
so there is questionable long term changes to find out 50-100 years from now.
What you're saying is pretty much correct. The polypeptides that genes code for can have many different purposes in the body. However, the genes that they implant into the genome of genetically-engineered seeds will only express one polypeptide that has one specific function for the crop. For example, there are some GMOs that express a type of organic pesticide called a Cry protein, which is expressed by the genes that they implanted onto the seed's DNA.

Now, there's no saying that it's possible these proteins have adverse effects in our body, but the pesticides expressed by GMO crops are the same ones we already spray on crops (organic crops included). If they're causing problems, it's an issue with the entire way we do farming right now, not the fact that the pesticide is being produced by plant cells instead of being sprayed from a can.

but the nutritional value or safety of gmo crops are only a tiny part of why they are (maybe) bad.
Well, nutritional value is the same for GMOs because they are, for all intents and purposes, the same as any other crop but with an extra protein. You could make some big assumptions and guess that companies cutting some corners by buying engineered seeds also cut other corners and produced less nutritious food, but that doesn't have anything to do with the science used to make the seeds.

and the bee extinctions are now being blamed on gmos and monsanto's round up.
Idk dude, there's not much evidence for that and at this point it's kinda just baseless fear that's causing people to think GMOs cause colony collapse.

there is the corporation issue as well. a few companies on earth control the growth, and sales of most of the worlds food right now. forcing small countries to ONLY grow their patented gmo seeds so they can earn a cut.

since corporations control governments, the only way a normal person can opt out from supporting that, is to not buy the products.
so the LEAST they should have to do, is label gmo stuff. but they lobby to be protected from exposing who and what products they are.
There's pretty much no way to argue against the ethical issues of the people who sell GMO seeds. It's a well known fact that Monsanto forgets over small farms and sues them into oblivion because they grew their patented plant by accident because of seed drift. It's pure evil, no denying that.

However, personally, I wouldn't really consider that a good reason to start labeling GMO crops. There's a lot of baseless fear over the safety of these plants, even though they've been shown to be safe. Genetic engineering has the propensity to help the developing world in a big way too. Golden rice is already being used to help combat blindness in developing countries as a result of vitamin A deficiency, and some people think it's even possible to create plants that act as vaccines for common infectious diseases. How amazing would that be? Food that protects you from polio/smallpox/flu without you ever having to do anything.

Although, that's all not possible unless there's a profit to be made for researching these things, and if people stop buying these plants because they think they're unsafe, then that impetus for research goes away very quickly.

There's pretty much no way to argue against the ethical issues of the people who sell GMO seeds. It's a well known fact that Monsanto forgets over small farms and sues them into oblivion because they grew their patented plant by accident because of seed drift. It's pure evil, no denying that.

I've never seen a case where someone like Monsanto sued a farm for having their field contaminated. I have seen them sue farmers that went out of their way to collect seeds that are made by them though. Really I would like to see some cases because trying to find any reliable info seems to pretty hard.

I've never seen a case where someone like Monsanto sued a farm for having their field contaminated. I have seen them sue farmers that went out of their way to collect seeds that are made by them though. Really I would like to see some cases because trying to find any reliable info seems to pretty hard.

There was this pretty well known case, where a next door farm had pollinated the the non-gmo farmer's crops.


I bet half of the people against GMO's don't have a loving clue when it comes to genetics.
For centuries we have been cross breeding plants. Rice and Corn for example came from grass. However taking the DNA of Jelly fish for example to make a glow in the dark mouse/fish, or the taking the DNA of a poison blow dart frog to make a pest resistant tomato is fairly new thing.

I'm sure there are lots of positive undiscovered possibilities, but it nature taught me anything, it is that it cannot be controlled. Genes do their own thing.

Basically some sort of controlled moderate approach to this is needed.

I've never seen a case where someone like Monsanto sued a farm for having their field contaminated. I have seen them sue farmers that went out of their way to collect seeds that are made by them though. Really I would like to see some cases because trying to find any reliable info seems to pretty hard.
They paid for those those seeds to grow those crops, why should they have to buy more seeds when the ones they collect should be enough? It is like those software companies that say they still own their product and thing you buy is just a license that you have limited ownership over.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 03:09:22 PM by Harm94 »


monsanto doesn't destroy small farmers, the only case of that happening was with a man who's crops were >90% monsanto

In other words, 80% of americans are loving morons

You need to backup your answer, Personally I think people are allowed to know what they're eating.

In other words, 80% of americans are loving morons
This shouldn't be news, but it's nice to have proof.

I guess I'd be completely ok with GMOs if companies like Monsanto wouldn't be starfishs.
I haven't kept up to date with the issue, though. Nonnel could be right.

You need to backup your answer, Personally I think people are allowed to know what they're eating.
Dude read it.
DNA, not GMOs.

« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 03:39:35 PM by Tetro Block »

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are you handicapped?

the study said 80% of americans wanted labels that said the food that they where eating contained DNA.

every living organism contains DNA it's your genetic materials



Lets asked this spliced fish how they like their jelly fish dna.