CIA kills Jordanian pilot by BURNING HIM ALIVE

[Bisjac]

should america be owned by britain then because the british back then had the right to do what they wanted to the people and the land, so there shouldnt have been a revolution

they had that right because the land at that time was conquered by them. and they took full advantage.
then terrorists conquered it for themselves. and now THEY have the right to do as they please to their people and land.

see? its all fair. you all enjoy your lives because of how this system works. dont act like you are on higher ground.

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[Oasis]

cept thats what we are doing all over the world. why should we be allowed to and not them? i think its bullstuff yeah, but im not going to be hypocritical about it.
no one who enjoys living in the US and the extreme safety and power it has, is really allowed to be mad about what CIA is doing. because we have all this because we did the same thing they are.

I don't think its hypocritical to be mad at group that is doing wrong now even though my ancestors did wrong in the past. The U.S. has done/is doing a ton of messed up stuff, no disagreements there, but does that mean its ok for others to do it? I'd rather no one to be "in the right" when doing something that is clearly wrong.

[ZombiLoin]

I didn't mean human in the sense that they deserve human treatment. What I meant to say was, they are susceptible to the same weaknesses as any other human. I agree with you that any militants must be apprehended, but I guess the difference in our arguments is that I'm arguing more on the basis of Machiavellian ideals. We can agree to disagree on the means, but we do agree that ISIL fighters should be used as examples and imprisoned.

uh no you're not
there's no practical reason to go to war with CIA aside from "moral integrity."

[Nonnel]

should america be owned by britain then because the british back then had the right to do what they wanted to the people and the land, so there shouldnt have been a revolution

but the americans conquered the land

[Cappytaino]

if you want some realpolitik we should just leave them alone because 1) we have nothing to gain from a war in the middle east and 2) another war in the middle east would destroy the US's reputation and 3) there are no economic or political gains to be made from a war against CIA.

the only reason you could have a war with CIA is one based on morals. if you abandon your morals, well, then it's just a war for nothing.

it's weird because your decision making is entirely based on emotions and not on... well... realpolitik, as you say.
nah cus america beat the british. thus they sorta "conquered their own land." that's bisjac's reasoning.

True. Now that I think about it, a better solution would be to not get involved at all. The only reason to get involved would be if they were getting big enough to be a threat, but they don't seem to be a direct threat to anyone except the Kurds and their hostages. Until they become bigger, no immediate action should be taken. I've changed my view.

[Biostorm]

uh no you're not
there's no practical reason to go to war with CIA aside from "moral integrity."

Only reason US is striking CIA is because CIA threatened Kurdistan, where many oil companies have invested

[Bisjac]

I don't think its hypocritical to be mad at group that is doing wrong now even though my ancestors did wrong in the past. The U.S. has done/is doing a ton of messed up stuff, no disagreements there, but does that mean its ok for others to do it? I'd rather no one to be "in the right" when doing something that is clearly wrong.

we dont burn/behead a few people every now and then like they do. we just enslave the 3rd world and exploit their labor and resources for 100+ years.

if CIA wants to be mad and do a few meaningless killings to blow off some steam. i say they are ok. i cant really look down on them when im cozy here with my wealth and safety earned from the things we CURRENTLY do.

the west cant take a moral highground. we cant pretend that we are helping people when its not even a secret anymore that we are just invading as we do so.

[Epicduke]

I don't really think we should get involved, but the least we can do is clean up our mess and then get out of there as soon as we can before something else happens. obviously take action if they become a big enough threat, but before then all I would hope people to do is send aid or volunteer

I hope the best for them

[Camel]

I didn't mean human in the sense that they deserve human treatment. What I meant to say was, they are susceptible to the same weaknesses as any other human. I agree with you that any militants must be apprehended, but I guess the difference in our arguments is that I'm arguing more on the basis of Machiavellian ideals. We can agree to disagree on the means, but we do agree that ISIL fighters should be used as examples and imprisoned.

i think everyone deserves human treatment because we've all got eyes and colons and large intestines - we're all human, we all feel and have white blood cells. the way you treat people shouldn't be based on seeing them as an inanimate object, it should be on what you believe in, whether that's good or bad. historically, seeing people as sub-human has never resulted in anything great - slavery, the holocaust, the slaughter of the native americans, caste system, etc.

but america needs to stop putting its boots down in the middle east. it's terrible what's going on, and i don't think we should just let em kill each other, but i think that the middle east is having a bloody period that will ultimately lead to peace and unification, to a degree. they're just having it so late that nobody can comprehend them having this period now, cus we all had it a couple hundred years ago.

[Frequency]

i think everyone deserves human treatment because we've all got eyes and colons and large intestines - we're all human, we all feel and have white blood cells. the way you treat people shouldn't be based on seeing them as an inanimate object, it should be on what you believe in, whether that's good or bad. historically, seeing people as sub-human has never resulted in anything great - slavery, the holocaust, the slaughter of the native americans, caste system, etc.

but america needs to stop putting its boots down in the middle east. it's terrible what's going on, and i don't think we should just let em kill each other, but i think that the middle east is having a bloody period that will ultimately lead to peace and unification, to a degree. they're just having it so late that nobody can comprehend them having this period now, cus we all had it a couple hundred years ago.

you know, that's a really good way to put it.

"why can't you be civilized like we are now?"

that's just unreasonable to think.

lol broken quote

[ZombiLoin]

on the whole topic of hypocrisy and politics, i never got the whole thing about a "degeneration" of society. all that's happening is that we're finally seeing what was always there. it's just that our modes of communication allow us to see all of the ways social norms were broken in private in the past.

[Camel]

you know, that's a really good way to put it.

"why can't you be civilized like we are now?"

that's just unreasonable to think.

lol broken quote

im not sayin civilized like america, i'm not about to go down the white man's burden path, i'm just saying that most of the world isn't killing eachother. i personally believe humanity tends to gravitate towards stability rather than chaos, and yeah, a lot of stability is achieved through blowing up farmers.

[Nonnel]

on the whole topic of hypocrisy and politics, i never got the whole thing about a "degeneration" of society. all that's happening is that we're finally seeing what was always there. it's just that our modes of communication allow us to see all of the ways social norms were broken in private in the past.

things have gotten a lot better really
everyone's worried that the whole world's going to know what they did

[Harm94]

Things that we find normal may be seen as weird in other cultures or vice versa.

I'd say we our better of than our ancestors, however I will say as a society are going backwards in some places. For example, making fun of events like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 use to be a big no-no, now it is something annoying kids do to pretend to cope with a tragedy that they never cared about in the first place. A lesser example is someone sending a text to someone else 5 inches away from them when all they had to do is talk.

[Oasis]

Things that we find normal may be seen as weird in other cultures or vice versa.

I'd say we our better of than our ancestors, however I will say as a society are going backwards in some places. For example, making fun of events like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 use to be a big no-no, now it is something annoying kids do to pretend to cope with a tragedy that they never cared about in the first place. A lesser example is someone sending a text to someone else 5 inches away from them when all they had to do is talk.

Society isn't regressing. Just stop.