Who killed Mr. Boddy in the study and with what?: the great debate topic™®

[Perry]

Why don't we prosecute soldiers who've killed terrorists?

Because when they kill terrorists they are killing armed human beings who are a threat to them and other people actively. Soldiers who kill unarmed terrorists just because they are terrorists are prosecuted as war criminals.

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[Frequency]

So are you saying that there's legal killing and illegal killing? What differentiates the two?

one is just and preserves social order. the other is unjust and disturbs social order. it's not a convoluted concept

[IkeTheGeneric]

The issue i'm trying to address is that judging someone's life as a human is impossible.

It is definitely possible, I just did it. I personally don't believe that convicts who have proven they can't be rehabilitated should be allowed to live in prison. I have given my reasoning why. You're vowing to be condescending and holier-than-thou by saying it's wrong because it is.

Humans are flawed by nature and are influenced by personal bias, beliefs, emotions, etc. Those will always get in the way of the final decision, and results in an unfair or unjust taking of someone's life.

I disagree, I'd argue that it's completely possible for a judge and jury to unbiasedly deliver the death penalty.

Advocating for the death penalty is different from directly carrying out the execution, sure, but as a supporter you are directly leading towards their death. You may not be the one who injects them with lethal poison, but you and other people are allowing it to happen.

This in no way makes be as 'bad' as them, though. That's completely ridiculous. That statement alone makes me not want to take you seriously.

That's the issue; you can't dehumanize a human under any circumstances. You can't advocate for murder and be against murder.

First off, I'm not dehumanizing them. I just humanized them by interjecting that the death penalty is more humane than forcing them to live out a life sentence before they die. I think that's more humane.

Second, I'm not going to bother humoring that last part of your post. That's some insane rhetoric.

[Insert Name Here²]

How do you fairly and objectively judge someone's life then?

Last I checked, when people murder multiple people, that means they're a murderer and if they're unable to rehabilitate and continue to hurt people whilst in jail, it's fair to assume they're a danger to society and other innocent people.

Path, just because you believe in "muh morals," that is not an excuse to coddle absolutely horrible individuals. That attitude just enables them to continue to do more crime because hey, they're humans too, that means we aren't allowed to judge them for their actions! That thought process is flawed when it comes to dealing with people like this, whether you like it or not.

It costs $1.26 million to go through the legal trouble of euthanizing someone (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty), and between $14,603 and $60,076 to keep individual prisoners per year. (http://thecrimereport.org/2012/02/13/2012-02-the-high-cost-of-prisons-using-scarce-resources-wise/)

Yes but that's in one year. In 20 years or more when you're keeping them for life, it gets up to 1 million, and can cost even more when they're kept in the correct high-security correctional facilities.

Getting rid of an individual who is a massive threat to society and innocent people's lives is a much better option that to actively keep them alive and in good condition, which is a waste of time because it is just allowing the risk to float around wherever they are and rehabilitating these individuals has an EXTREMELY slim chance of even happening at all. It is a waste of time and tax dollars.

Morals don't solve these problems. Taking action to prevent it from happening, will.

[Metario]

tbh having the death penality is necessary for some things like people who Flash Mob or are terrorists

[IkeTheGeneric]

I still don't get why forcing them to live in prison until they die is more humane than putting them to death after trial. It's basically the same thing, considering giving them a life sentence without parole means they're going to die in jail, no matter what.

[Darryl McKoy]

I still don't get why forcing them to live in prison until they die is more humane than putting them to death after trial. It's basically the same thing, considering giving them a life sentence without parole means they're going to die in jail, no matter what.

If it's basically the same thing why aren't nearly all the criminals serving life in prison asking for the death penalty?

[The Resonte!]

Humans cannot be the judge of another human's life.

flip a coin

[gr8dayseth]

flip a coin

what if the coin chooses death but it turns out they were actually innocent

[cooolguy32]

yes

[Perry]

I still don't get why forcing them to live in prison until they die is more humane than putting them to death after trial. It's basically the same thing, considering giving them a life sentence without parole means they're going to die in jail, no matter what.

It's not about being humane, it's that the prisoner is the one with life, and what they do with the life they are given is their own decision. If they feel that they would rather die than live in prison, it should be their right to end life, and that's where I think a humane death penalty could be applied. However, it's completely unjust to say "this person clearly wants to die instead of be in prison their entire life" because then you're dictating how someone should handle their own life. This is where the boundary is crossed, where you make the decision to rob someone of the highest and most inalienable right of all, life.

I hate to be the 'look at me moral high ground' person but morals are one of the biggest factors in our legal system. Taking someone's life without their consent is an invasion of human rights, and justice is in place to protect the rights of humans. In order for a fair justice system, there needs to be a completely unbiased and objective evaluation of the crime, and in order for that to happen, crimes need to be judged and charged the same. The moment you say it's alright to kill this one type of person but not okay to kill this other is when justice becomes injustice.

[Clownfish]

lets make them loving fight in an arena with tons of spectators
saves space in prisons AND makes them money
like dude I wanna see a child enthusiast go toe to toe with a buff bank robber
I wanna see some stuffstain get disemboweled on LIVE TV

[Nonnel]

At the end of the National Prison Death Tournament, the winner goes free. Darwin would be proud.

[Clownfish]

At the end of the National Prison Death Tournament, the winner goes free. Darwin would be proud.

YES

[Drydess]

only if clownfish gets sent there