should marijuana be legalized for recreational use?

[Jake White]

you could say the same thing about taking the test while your sleepy

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[XR-7]

What gives you more entitlement to public space than smokers? I don't feel strongly about this topic, but as a rights-to-public-space issue, this kind of attitude is extremely self-centered. You don't own the land so your opinion isn't any more valid than the smoker next to you who wants to smoke publicly.

I think he just means that he doesn't want to vote for something that will degrade public areas. It's not anymore different than someone putting up "No Smoking" signs, banning obscene language, or playing loud music in public areas. When people want to enjoy themselves in a park, restaurant/store, or recreational facility (I'm thinking of things like mini golf, gymnasiums, amusement parks, etc), they shouldn't have to breathe marijuana/tobacco smoke, Listen to trash talk, or listen to deafening music.

[$trinick]

I think he just means that he doesn't want to vote for something that will degrade public areas. It's not anymore different than someone putting up "No Smoking" signs, banning obscene language, or playing loud music in public areas. When people want to enjoy themselves in a park, restaurant/store, or recreational facility (I'm thinking of things like mini golf, gymnasiums, amusement parks, etc), they shouldn't have to breathe marijuana/tobacco smoke, Listen to trash talk, or listen to deafening music.

A "No Smoking" sign is pretty much exactly what we're talking about; I'm also against banning "obscene" language on public property, and playing loud music in public areas should definitely be allowed. Once again, it's a public space so everyone should be able to use it equally. If you are bothered by the smoke then you can elect to leave, once again you're not any more entitled to be there doing your thing than the smokers are doing their thing.

The only time something like that should be banned on public property is if it's directly affecting a neighboring private property, e.g. loud music at park keeping neighbors up at night.

Also, "they shouldn't have to breathe marijuana/tobacco smoke, Listen to trash talk, or listen to deafening music."

They don't have to. If they don't like the way others are using the public space, they can leave.

[XR-7]

They don't have to. If they don't like the way others are using the public space, they can leave.

Why shouldn't a public space have rules? Why can't a smoker bothered by the rules be the one to leave and what makes them more entitled to openly smoking in public than for a person bothered by smoking to not want it in the public area?

Some people deal with lung issues whether chronic or temporary, which can be aggravated by floating ash and smoke. Why would they have to be the ones to leave? A smoker shouldn't have special treatment and entitlement in my opinion.

[$trinick]

Why shouldn't a public space have rules? Why can't a smoker bothered by the rules be the one to leave and what makes them more entitled to openly smoking in public than for a person bothered by smoking to not want it in the public area?

Because rules impose restrictions on peoples ability to use public space. The entire point of public space is that nobody owns it, so everyone has free and equal legal access to it.

Some people deal with lung issues whether chronic or temporary, which can be aggravated by floating ash and smoke. Why would they have to be the ones to leave? A smoker shouldn't have special treatment and entitlement in my opinion.

You have it backwards. In a scenario with smoking banned, it's the ones with lung issues getting the special treatment and entitlement. Lung issues are a personal problem and it's up to the individual to care for their own health (i.e. avoiding smokers) rather than society as a whole to pander to everyone's potential issues.

Freedom is never a "special treatment" or "entitlement." It's fundamental to humanity.

[XR-7]

Because rules impose restrictions on peoples ability to use public space. The entire point of public space is that nobody owns it, so everyone has free and equal legal access to it.

So what you're saying is that anyone can do whatever they want on public property? Because if that's the case, why can't people drive motor vehicles through parks, write graffiti on walls, or (usually) sell items from vendors? Most public places are in fact owned by something or someone, whether that be some wealthy individual, a company or organization, or run and maintained by a city or jurisdiction.

You have it backwards. In a scenario with smoking banned, it's the ones with lung issues getting the special treatment and entitlement. Lung issues are a personal problem and it's up to the individual to care for their own health (i.e. avoiding smokers) rather than society as a whole to pander to everyone's potential issues.

Freedom is never a "special treatment" or "entitlement." It's fundamental to humanity.

And what if I said you have it backwards? A lung issue is usually not the individual's fault (I'm not saying you said that), but smoking is entirely up to the person doing it. What I'm getting at is that smoking is a decision, but something like bronchitis is not. What I don't understand is that people with lung issues should have to leave a park because some smoker decides he wants to use the particular spot that other people are using for himself.

It's like having a group of 100 people all in a fairly tight area (e.g. a line to go into a store) and one person in the line decides to light a joint and smoke away. Well I guess that means anyone with an unavoidable condition must now leave the line cause that smoker wants to enjoy himself.

And I'm not saying that smokers should be removed from the public altogether. I think they should just go somewhere with fewer people. I see employees on break who will go outside the store where they work and just stand somewhere out of the way to smoke. I don't see any issue with that.

[Alyx Vance]

As long as its regulated correctly. Pretty much like alcohol, no public intoxication and such.

[sir dooble]

I say no.

[Nonnel]

So what you're saying is that anyone can do whatever they want on public property? Because if that's the case, why can't people drive motor vehicles through parks, write graffiti on walls, or (usually) sell items from vendors? Most public places are in fact owned by something or someone, whether that be some wealthy individual, a company or organization, or run and maintained by a city or jurisdiction.

That is not public property

[Foxscotch]

Because rules impose restrictions on peoples ability to use public space. The entire point of public space is that nobody owns it, so everyone has free and equal legal access to it.

everyone does have access to public space
he's not even suggesting limiting people's access to it
he's suggesting limiting what you can do in that public space

you can't be naked in public (except at specific events sometimes), but that doesn't mean "naked people" have limited access to the public space, it means they have to put on clothes like everyone else

[ShadowsfeaR]

everyone does have access to public space
he's not even suggesting limiting people's access to it
he's suggesting limiting what you can do in that public space

you can't be naked in public (except at specific events sometimes), but that doesn't mean "naked people" have limited access to the public space, it means they have to put on clothes like everyone else

No! People should be able to kill people in public spaces! If people don't want to get murdered, they should leave!

[Rainzx¹]

I don't have a problem with people doing drugs, along as they don't do it near me.

[Daswiruch]

I don't care as long you don't smoke it in public. In fact I Don't want ANYONE smoking anything around me, I don't want that stuff in my lungs

[nickpb1]

I was waiting on Trinick to come in and make all my arguements for me
He did just that
Also I Love smoking in public, I will smoke a joint as I walk down the street. zero forgets given

[XR-7]

I was waiting on Trinick to come in and make all my arguements for me