Australia releases "no jab, no pay" policy

[Foxscotch]

blf and brown townogies are like potatos and icecream.

they don't go together?
I think your goal was to make a bad brown townogy. but... the blockland forum is apparently so bad at making brown townogies, that when they try specifically to make bad ones, they turn out to make sense

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[SeventhSandwich]

Did you just compare abstaining from a vaccination to drunk driving? And then just ask if they're really all that different?

Yes. They're that different.

Maybe in terms of the probability that an accident is going to happen, but let's assume that an accident did happen. Person A waived a safety precaution for whatever reason and caused bodily harm to person B. Same dif.

You're no good at anologies, this same arguement could be made for "you dont have the right to x to cause y", your chld dying because i refused to give him a shot is the same likehood of him dying from some other god awful disease

That is false. If your kid contracts a contagious disease because you were too stupid to give him a vaccine, he is now a vector for the disease. He's a red dot in an epidemiological model that wouldn't be there if you had gotten him vaccinated. The only way that these probabilities would be the same is if your child wasn't contagious, which isn't how infectious diseases work, dipstuff.

[$trinick]

they don't go together?
I think your goal was to make a bad brown townogy. but... the blockland forum is apparently so bad at making brown townogies, that when they try specifically to make bad ones, they turn out to make sense

What? You don't eat potatoes with icecream??

Maybe in terms of the probability that an accident is going to happen, but let's assume that an accident did happen. Person A waived a safety precaution for whatever reason and caused bodily harm to person B. Same dif.

The issue is, driving drunk is an extremely dangerous and reckless action that's incredibly likely to cause harm to yourself and or others.

Not vaccinating your kids MIGHT get someone ill. Of those rare events, a few of those may kill people.

It's like comparing eating junk food to doing heroin. Both are things people enjoy doing and are harmful to their bodies. Doing heroin is illegal, eating junk food isn't.

It's an issue of magnitude. If you ignored magnitude while making things illegal, pretty much everything would be illegal. Bashing someone's head in with a bat is simply a scaled version of patting them on the head.

[SeventhSandwich]

The issue is, driving drunk is an extremely dangerous and reckless action that's incredibly likely to cause harm to yourself and or others.

Not vaccinating your kids MIGHT get someone ill. Of those rare events, a few of those may kill people.

Or, in the case of measles, it might spur a huge epidemic that results in millions of dollars of hospital bills and hundreds of lost work days. Either way, vaccines are completely safe. There is literally no justification for abstaining from them when the risk of dying from the disease they protect is far rarer than any of the possible side effects.

It's an issue of magnitude. If you ignored magnitude while making things illegal, pretty much everything would be illegal. Bashing someone's head in with a bat is simply a scaled version of patting them on the head.

But abstaining from vaccines has the propensity to cause serious problems. Sometimes it won't, but it only takes a few well-timed exposures for something like measles or mumps to explode in an unvaccinated population; whereas patting someone on the head will never result in their head being bashed in.

[$trinick]

Or, in the case of measles, it might spur a huge epidemic that results in millions of dollars of hospital bills and hundreds of lost work days.

Slippery loving slope there. That might be a valid point if I was saying not to vaccinate your kids. You definitely should vaccinate your kids. My argument is that it shouldn't be a legal compulsion, it should just be something that people do.

Either way, vaccines are completely safe. There is literally no justification for abstaining from them when the risk of dying from the disease they protect is far rarer than any of the possible side effects.

You're right. There is no justification for abstaining from them. However I will argue to the end of the earth that it is your freedom as a human to not vaccinate yourself or your kids if you don't want to. People should almost never be compelled to do things that they don't want to do by the government. That should only be the case in extreme situations.

But abstaining from vaccines has the propensity to cause serious problems. Sometimes it won't, but it only takes a few well-timed exposures for something like measles or mumps to explode in an unvaccinated population; whereas patting someone on the head will never result in their head being bashed in.

I didn't say that patting someone on the head is of the same magnitude as not vaccinating your kids: it isn't. On the scale of danger, not vaccinating your kid is an order of magnitude higher than patting someone on the head. However, it is dwarfed by the dangers of drunk driving and heroin.

[Kansas]

That is false. If your kid contracts a contagious disease because you were too stupid to give him a vaccine, he is now a vector for the disease. He's a red dot in an epidemiological model that wouldn't be there if you had gotten him vaccinated. The only way that these probabilities would be the same is if your child wasn't contagious, which isn't how infectious diseases work, dipstuff.

Stop cursing me and learn to debate. This can be said for almost everything, cause and effect and assigning blame could also be used against you. Maybe if your child stayed away from my kid he wouldnt get sick

[Nonnel]

You're right. There is no justification for abstaining from them. However I will argue to the end of the earth that it is your freedom as a human to not vaccinate yourself or your kids if you don't want to. People should almost never be compelled to do things that they don't want to do by the government. That should only be the case in extreme situations.

Are kids able to get vaccinated without parent permission?

[SetGaming]

Stop cursing me and learn to debate. This can be said for almost everything, cause and effect and assigning blame could also be used against you. Maybe if your child stayed away from my kid he wouldnt get sick

seriously

"if your child stayed away from my kid"

that's practically blaming SS for you not vaccinating

and also, you can't just segregate your kid from other kids; kids will always interact

[·::Kishgal::·]

they don't go together?

i dispute this claim

[Kansas]

seriously

"if your child stayed away from my kid"

that's practically blaming SS for you not vaccinating

and also, you can't just segregate your kid from other kids; kids will always interact

The facts are that if my kid gets your kid sick then good luck tracking it back to mine, good luck trying to explain to the government that I was a third-party assistant in his homocide, second my kid isn't getting sick.

[IkeTheGeneric]

my kid isn't getting sick.

If you don't get your child vaccinated, you won't know for certain if your kid will or won't get sick. Not getting vaccinated leaves open the possibility of it happening.

It should still be the parents legal right to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children, but there's no great reason not to.

[Kansas]

If you don't get your child vaccinated, you won't know for certain if your kid will or won't get sick. Not getting vaccinated leaves open the possibility of it happening.

It should still be the parents legal right to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children, but there's no great reason not to.

I will do my best without vaccination.

[IkeTheGeneric]

I will do my best without vaccination.

Well then that's just your bad decision, I can't change your mind.

[Kansas]

Well then that's just your bad decision, I can't change your mind.

It's not for yours to decide but vaccation would be safer

My one message has always been it's up to the parents and they shouldn't be taxed as punishment for their choices. There are people that would be willing to let their child die but that's not me, we lose our personal freedom as the government takes more control and you'll debate it's not much more control but we should all be able to agree on the freedom of choice

[XR-7]

learn to debate.

Maybe if your child stayed away from my kid he wouldnt get sick

Excuse you.