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Okay so first off, having to show your ID to vote is required everywhere by everyone. Here in Canada for example you're required to have at least 2 forms of ID absolutely anywhere in the country and it's for exactly that reason, licenses can be faked, they need something concrete. It has nothing to do with race and if you don't have your ID with you when you go to vote then that's entirely your fault. Second, none of these laws have anything to do with race. What you should be worry about is people abusing these laws. Third, if it applies to everyone in a state then it applies to everyone in a state. Not just blacks, not just whites, everyone. Again, the politicians may have a tribal intention (Which again is their fault, not the laws fault) but it doesn't just affect black people. Don't act like it does.

But it does though because many minorities just so happen to have a low income and having them to get an ID just makes it harder for them to get their votes in. Read the article I posted btw.

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[Kearn]

you know youd think with the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on welfare that they would be able to get a passport

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you know youd think with the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on welfare that they would be able to get a passport

Because people are living lavish lives off of welfare. Like of course you think that lmao

[Kearn]

totally what i said

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Passports are annoyingly expensive. They're not oh-so dear, but it's more than you'd think they would be.

And in the UK, if you're having your first ever passport over the age of 16, you have to go to a passport interview, where you're asked questions about your family, address, telephone numbers, education, etc.
Things they can use to certify that you are who you say you are.
The interview isn't the troublesome thing, it's having to journey to the location for the interview, which may be several hours away. So you have to afford to travel there, and do it while you're not working, or get time off of work.

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But to say that blacks who descended from slaves don't deserve any kind of help is crazy imo.

Why? Substantiate this. The ancestors of blacks who were slaves certainly deserve help by any kind of modern moral compass, but I fail to see how this deserved aid trickles down their family trees multiple generations. The hardship endured by one's ancestors is not bequeathed to that person; why would it be? If my great grandfather had been lashed and tortured on his job, why would I be entitled to compensation for that?

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Why? Substantiate this. The ancestors of blacks who were slaves certainly deserve help by any kind of modern moral compass, but I fail to see how this deserved aid trickles down their family trees multiple generations. The hardship endured by one's ancestors is not bequeathed to that person; why would it be? If my great grandfather had been lashed and tortured on his job, why would I be entitled to compensation for that?

Because after slavery ended, slaves were just unshackled and told to gtfo their owner's land. They weren't helped out. People just treated them like crap. And what do you know, the south is full of very low income "ghettos" and "hoods" where these freed slaves settled down.

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But it does though

but what does though? Laws are laws. The laws are not tribal, if the people cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt they are who they are then they cannot vote. This applies to everyone. there are 2 possible reasons for not having proper id. 1. They don't have it or 2. They lost it.

Now, according to Wikipedia all you ever need to vote in any state is photo ID. I assume that's like a drivers license? If you're a grown adult who has a drivers license, if you don't bring it that's entirely your fault. If you don't have a drivers license there seems to be other ways that you get non-drivers license photo ID, like a state ID. It only costs 20 bucks max and lasts for 5 years. You can get one literally any time.

Now yes, it's a tiny bit more difficult, but again it's more difficult for everyone without a drivers license. If you want to vote you need to be able to prove who you are, this is incredibly important to make sure that voting is accurate.

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but what does though? Laws are laws. The laws are not tribal, if the people cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt they are who they are then they cannot vote. This applies to everyone. there are 2 possible reasons for not having proper id. 1. They don't have it or 2. They lost it.

Now, according to Wikipedia all you ever need to vote in any state is photo ID. I assume that's like a drivers license? If you're a grown adult who has a drivers license, if you don't bring it that's entirely your fault. If you don't have a drivers license there seems to be other ways that you get non-drivers license photo ID, like a state ID. It only costs 20 bucks max and lasts for 5 years. You can get one literally any time.

Now yes, it's a tiny bit more difficult, but again it's more difficult for everyone without a drivers license. If you want to vote you need to be able to prove who you are, this is incredibly important to make sure that voting is accurate.

It's not important though because it hardly happens. Republicans act like it is but in reality if they really cared they would restrict mail in votes like the article I linked to states. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/why-voter-id-laws-arent-really-about-fraud/

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An brown townysis by News21, a journalism project at Arizona State University, found 28 cases of voter fraud convictions since 2000.

It hardly happens!

And besides, voter ID laws aren't the only restrictions placed on minorities. You guys are missing the bigger point here.

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If you don't have a drivers license there seems to be other ways that you get non-drivers license photo ID, like a state ID. It only costs 20 bucks max and lasts for 5 years. You can get one literally any time.

Getting these IDs also requires other documents, like birth certificates, which cost like 20-30? each. Dropping $40-50 at once is a lot to people living paycheck to paycheck

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what's the bigger point point, again?

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edit: It hardly happens!

Don't forget:

Voter impersonation, the form of fraud that voter ID laws are designed to prevent, made up only 3.6 percent of those cases.

[Cantaloupe]

you know youd think with the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on welfare that they would be able to get a passport

When the majority of the impoverished spend their money on sneakers and new phones, that's when you draw the line and realize the extent of welfare abuse nationwide.

Giving money to these uneducated people will not help them, forcefully sending them to educational institutions will help them. Otherwise, the money will keep going down exponentially. That's not to say that some people desperately need welfare though.

[Ipquarx]

if they really cared they would restrict mail in votes like the article I linked to states.

It hardly happens!

Are you a politician? Do you know exactly how the laws are made? No, so you don't know why they aren't doing certain things. If you want to argue that these laws are made to restrict minorities from voting then go after the politicians, not the abstract system which allows basically any in-theory good in-practice bad idea, not just ones made to restrict minorities

Getting these IDs also requires other documents, like birth certificates, which cost like 20-30? each. Dropping $40-50 at once is a lot to people living paycheck to paycheck

Listen, dropping 40-50 at once can be a big deal for that kind of person but if you save it up, even a dollar a day, within a couple months you have more than enough. I'd be all for a system like Canada's where people can use things like Library cards, bus passes, SSN or SIN's, stuff like that. But again, I'm not a politician.

Also, the article said that double-voting made up 25% of the forms of fraud. I'm pretty sure that showing ID would prevent that. Plus, just because something doesn't happen often doesn't mean that people shouldn't try to prevent it.

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When the majority of the impoverished spend their money on sneakers and new phones, that's when you draw the line and realize the extent of welfare abuse nationwide.

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