Author Topic: Americans choose Harriet Tubman to be on the $20 bill  (Read 48728 times)

To you it is, visit your local welfare office if you live in a large metro city and you will get the picture.
It's not the corporations mooching off of the government, it is the little guy mooching off. I don't blame the big corporations for evading taxes once in a blue moon, without business, we have nothing! Unions should be completely abolished, and the workers should be put into the hands of the employer solely without the noses of the unions. Power to the corporations and big businesses! It's the big man who created this nation, not the little blue collar worker!
did you seriously loving edit that entire diatribe out?

To you it is, visit your local welfare office if you live in a large metro city and you will get the picture.
If I go down to the Job Centre I see people with lots of loud children, wearing sweatpants, white trainers and holding iphones.
I ALSO notice people dressed in normal clothes, proper trousers and affordable decent shoes, without fancy gadgets. They're the ones who sit quietly, are there and likely embarassed about it.

Most normal people don't want people to know they're living off of the state, or are proud of their position. They don't make a scene about it, and you don't notice them.
Those scummier people you're point out are loud and proud. You notice them because they want to be noticed.

They're not the majority.

did you seriously loving edit that entire diatribe out?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sometimes a person realizes they've said something stupid and they retract it.

Y'know I apologize, I think I misunderstood the purpose of your original post.
no problem, I realized you meant well with what you were saying :)

I'm getting this feeling that derontchi hasn't been in a relationship before...
Incorrect.
reeks of the fifties and sixties
Not really, no. I'm not saying it should be this way.
You are definitely going to have to provide some studies on family spending before you can assert such blanket statements, otherwise they're just coming off as loosely loveist.
Implying women do nothing but spend money, and that they have to be ALLOWED to spend money by their husbands. As if all money in a family belongs to the husband. And being honest here, I'm not sure there's a way to study something like this. There's studies explaining why women go after rich men, which sorta ties into this, but that's all I have seen to this date.
I implied no such thing, or did not intend do, and did not say that they were forbidden from spending money unless they have their husband's say-so.
It's not a far-fetched idea, but it's mostly based on suspicion and loveism.  I think people like to spend money because people like to spend money.  People like to notice the things that they don't like in humanity, not as much things that they do like.  As a person, you might buy things that interest you, and as a male, you overlook your spending habits because you think as a male, "This is what people buy."  However, when you consider women's spending habits, you may be unfamiliar with what they prefer to buy, and so you might think to yourself "That's a total waste of money.  Why would I ever use that?"  Then because of a lack of understanding and self-consciousness, you equate women spending money on what they prefer to wasting money.

This is called loveism and ignorance.
I love how you made all of these inferences, none of which were even based on the quote at hand, and used them to label me an ignorant loveist. This is not the reason at all that I think this is. While I see truth in your statement, I do not think this way. I'm saying that, noticeably, among middle and sometimes upper-class families in the US (with children), the husband brings in the most income. It is an innate instinct of men to be a provider, and many men who are able buy things for their spouses that their spouses want, out of love. Do you see what I'm trying to say?
nah, it's just how you implied that conspicuous consumption is somehow 1) exclusive to women and 2) how handicapped you are in generalizing half of the world's population because you had some one-sided experiences in the past.
It's MUCH more likely that it is women. Never did I say it could ONLY be children by not mentioning men. Also, I said "first world", specifically US. Please, read above.
you don't realise how deeply the patriarchy has brainwashed you

disclaimer: obviously kinda
I can't tell whether or not you're kidding.



Sorry for bringing this back up, just felt like I had to.

I see it with my own eyes. I've passed by welfare offices before, and all I see are fatasses with four kids with their iPhones and Air Jordan's. If they are so poor, where do they get the money for these items? I don't know the percentage of these welfare moochers, but there are certainly more than you think. Visit a welfare office in an inner-city, and you'll get the picture of the fraud going on in this nation.
What about
-Gifts
-Items that were bought before becoming poor
carriers offering free low end or even decent smart phones for free with a contract

If you look through all twenty five pages, you'll see several mentions of Riddler and the Holocaust.
Nope, literally zero. Please show me one.

Actually, Andrew and the English at New Orleans didn't know of the treaty until a couple of days later due to the slow messaging speeds of that time.
What's your point? He 'won' a war that was already won. Not the big accomplishment that everyone claims it is.

Also, if you look at my post again, you'll notice that I never implied that Andrew Jackson was aware of the Treaty of Ghent. That's just your own assumptions.

I've passed by welfare offices before, and all I see are fatasses with four kids with their iPhones and Air Jordan's. If they are so poor, where do they get the money for these items?
The better question is why you're getting close enough to people inside 'welfare offices' that you can read the brands off of their phones and shoes. What's likely is that you've never actually passed by a 'welfare office', and you've made up this story in order to justify your resentment towards the poor.

Also, I'm using the word 'welfare office' sparingly since there's no such thing. Welfare is given out by the department of economic security, which also offers other services besides just organizing welfare. This means that the people who you've allegedly seen outside of 'welfare offices' might not even be on welfare at all. Presumptuous much?
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Nope, literally zero. Please show me one.
Really not sure where you're getting this from

guys lets put Riddler on the $100 bill
pls
and that, according to you two, discredits his other achievements?
that's like saying Riddler didn't revive the german economy, yeah, he was a genocidal manic, but I don't look into the topic with tunnel vision

I hate andrew jackson and want him off the dollar, but discrediting people just because you don't like them makes you stupid and ignorant
yeah killing the natives off the country is totally badass amirite

Riddler was a badass too. just look at how cool he looks!!

Roman times: Jews kicked out of Israel by Romans, Romans claim the land. Rome falls apart. Jews migrate to Europe which causes centuries of hatred. Fast forward, Islam is founded and there medieval crusades in the area. That region is conquered by the Ottomans and people convert to Islam. Fast forward, WW1 happens and the Ottomans get their ass kicked. UK and France claim Ottoman territories. Riddler is ass made, uses the jews as a scape joke because of centuries of old hatred. WW2 happens, muh 6 gorrilian. Churchill and friends drunkenly draws borders and call it quits. The Allied high command knew about the death camps, but didn't do much about them. So to save faith they create the state of Israel and Jews from all over Europe and the USSR flock to the knew land. Because of Churchill's loving up the borders, the Arabs see this as threat to the sacred holy land and start several wars. This is also the cold war, a lot of those countries go the USSR for weapons. To compete with the USSR we give weapons to Israel. More wars happen. So here we are today with the latest Israeli-Palestinian drama.
Riddler wouldn't have invaded poland if he didn't have a bigger plan, doofus

Really not sure where you're getting this from
Oh, I stand corrected. There's something wrong with the forum's search feature then, since I was only getting the single post where Cantaloupe mentioned Riddler.

My bad.

I think someone from the Reservation is more qualified to speak on the behalf of their people.
Pretty much

there are like 100 of them (?). and they are all separate nations of different people XD

Oh, I stand corrected. There's something wrong with the forum's search feature then, since I was only getting the single post where Cantaloupe mentioned Riddler.
yeah it only gets one result per thread. honestly I'm not sure what that's all about but it seems like a pretty big issue that they'd have handled by the time SMF 1.1.20 was released

caribou reminds me of those old white guys in the 50s that say capitalism will bring the utopia that communism would promise

I can't tell whether or not you're kidding.
the words are obv joking but the motivating sentiment isn't

men are not innately more inclined nor more capable to be providers; that idea is purely cultural.
men have traditionally, in many cultures, been the 'breadwinners,' esp. in industrialised society, but this is not by any means a natural order.
in recent years and as the trend continues, we've seen, however, a departure from this idea in favour of a more-equal viewpoint where gender roles are much less-important in that sense. women are more likely than ever to be single and hold higher-skill jobs, and families are more likely due to economic conditions to be dual-income. at the same time, families reduce spending in general as per their need

men are, of course, for various reasons, whether you want to mark it up to de facto discrimination or the glass ceiling or coincidence or what have you, the primary holders of higher-paying jobs in the united states. this is not by nature nor by mandate, it is purely the product of man. and, of course, this has also been in decline over the past years as traditional gender roles deteriorate.

as for your comment about women's spending, it is not, in any capacity, ever sound to make sweeping generalisations about massive groups of people. the way people deal with their money is something that cannot be related to gender in any way as far as i'm concerned or aware. i don't really understand your underlying reasoning for that statement. surely, as women are human beings and people just as everyone else, they have their own individual inclinations and impulses to buy and participate in consumerism, just as any man?

i don't really understand your underlying reasoning for that statement.
loveism

i'm generally disinclined to jump to that kind of thing even if it technically would describe whatever phenomenon is occurring, for fairly obv reasons of not wanting to label people for not much a reason other than the sake of doing so

i'd rather, instead, believe that the person holds prejudices or beliefs based upon fundamental misunderstandings, which is just a fluffed-up restatement of the same, but it's at least a better way to look at it if you're trying to be productive in discourse

in short: ya probs and also i'm a pretentious sack of lettuce