"(Racially) segregated classrooms improve learning" - Anita Sarkeesian

[IkeTheGeneric]

Technically, in the US and most of the first world, men and women are legally equal, aside from things like the draft.

It doesn't matter in the game of professional victimhood, as long as there's something to complain about or nitpick, there's something to make money off ot

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[otto-san]

Technically, in the US and most of the first world, men and women are legally equal, aside from things like the draft.

yeah i was debating posting a pointless semantics thing to clarify that it's not just about legal equality, it's mostly at this point about social equality since, realistically speaking, the majority of things to be done legally have been done.

i don't tend to agree with mandated equality (when legal grounds are equal as-is), i would rather see cultural changes that can actually make a difference

[Kimon²]

i also dont think i have yet mentioned that some politicians blatantly extort the views of feminists for their own personal gain so thats another problem. it would be the politician's fault in that case, but still.

[otto-san]

politicians will be politicians i suppose

unfortunately things like that are a problem, but that's just an issue with fairly corrupt practice

[Col. Derontchi]

yeah i was debating posting a pointless semantics thing to clarify that it's not just about legal equality, it's mostly at this point about social equality since, realistically speaking, the majority of things to be done legally have been done.

i don't tend to agree with mandated equality (when legal grounds are equal as-is), i would rather see cultural changes that can actually make a difference

Will you elaborate on these 'cultural changes?'

[Electrk.]

Actually, segregating education by gender would be the best, since boys and girls learn in different ways. The current education system very much favors girls' way of learning which is why boys are falling behind.

[Col. Derontchi]

Actually, segregating education by gender would be the best, since boys and girls learn in different ways. The current education system very much favors girls' way of learning which is why boys are falling behind.

I agree, but maybe the solution is not to overhaul the education system entirely.

[otto-san]

Will you elaborate on these 'cultural changes?'

the same idea as cultural changes that were necessary to make the legal changes that have already happened

there are some parts of (speaking in terms of the US) culture that kinda make it more difficult for women to be "really equal." obviously at this point these are mostly subtle differences that are diminishing.

for instance, there are still some pretty divisive views on what are "man jobs" and "woman jobs" which stop women from entering certain fields or professions, or raising to a higher level in their career path. i kinda suspect this kind of thing is going to continue to decline at an accelerating rate though.

the main thing i was trying to say is that it's not really a good idea to make government shove its foot in any more than necessary; that'll likely end up causing more animosity and strain on people that are considered to be a part of the problem.

[Col. Derontchi]

the same idea as cultural changes that were necessary to make the legal changes that have already happened

there are some parts of (speaking in terms of the US) culture that kinda make it more difficult for women to be "really equal." obviously at this point these are mostly subtle differences that are diminishing.

for instance, there are still some pretty divisive views on what are "man jobs" and "woman jobs" which stop women from entering certain fields or professions, or raising to a higher level in their career path. i kinda suspect this kind of thing is going to continue to decline at an accelerating rate though.

Could you be just a tad more specific?

[otto-san]

off the top of my head, women aren't really considered as heavily for roles that are more-so about 'leadership,' eg CEO or other executive positions. i doubt this is nearly as significant now as it has been in the past, but it's still a problem. but of course, it's a symptom and not a factor.

essentially it just kinda comes back to the whole traditional gender roles thing where women are expected to be homemakers. as a result, women are more so seen as useful for expressive tasks like teaching, while men are more so seen as useful for instrumental tasks like principal. obviously, of course, support for the idea of traditional gender roles has been on the decline for at least half a century now, and so the division caused has diminished as well, but it's still an issue for people on both sides. just as women might not be as likely to become a CEO, a man probably wouldn't be as likely to get a job dealing with children. it goes both ways.

[Kimon²]

Actually, segregating education by gender would be the best, since boys and girls learn in different ways. The current education system very much favors girls' way of learning which is why boys are falling behind.

ok but let's not forget that anita literally offhandedly mentioned that the races should be segregated in schools after that

[otto-san]

i'm kinda disinclined to believe that love biologically causes such a significant psychological difference in how people learn that would require an extreme measure of division

not that i've researched it or anything, i'll admit ignorance here, but it seems like a pretty high leaning towards nature as opposed to nurture. i'd be more likely to think that it's a result of the way kids are raised and more general genetics than male/female (speaking about a difference that's severe enough to justify segregation). but hey, i wouldn't be surprised if there were a subtle difference

[Ragequit]

anita sarkeesian and segregation are gay

[Electrk.]

there are still some pretty divisive views on what are "man jobs" and "woman jobs" which stop women from entering certain fields or professions, or raising to a higher level in their career path.

off the top of my head, women aren't really considered as heavily for roles that are more-so about 'leadership,' eg CEO or other executive positions.

maybe it's just that, and this is a crazy idea, humans are a loveually dimorphic species and the lovees have general leanings towards certain things

there have been studies that show that male newborns look at mechanical devices longer and female newborns look at faces longer
but clearly this is just the effects of social conditioning on the newborns

essentially it just kinda comes back to the whole traditional gender roles thing where women are expected to be homemakers. as a result, women are more so seen as useful for expressive tasks like teaching, while men are more so seen as useful for instrumental tasks like principal. obviously, of course, support for the idea of traditional gender roles has been on the decline for at least half a century now, and so the division caused has diminished as well

Why haven't we seen a significant increase in female entrepreneurs then? Why haven't we seen a massive influx of male teachers?

but it's still an issue for people on both sides. just as women might not be as likely to become a CEO, a man probably wouldn't be as likely to get a job dealing with children. it goes both ways.

yeah because he'd probably be labeled a child enthusiast

i'm kinda disinclined to believe that love biologically causes such a significant psychological difference in how people learn that would require an extreme measure of division

well that sucks that you "feel" that way, but men and women think and learn differently

deal with it

not that i've researched it or anything

research doesn't matter when you have your feels

i'll admit ignorance here, but it seems like a pretty high leaning towards nature as opposed to nurture. i'd be more likely to think that it's a result of the way kids are raised and more general genetics than male/female (speaking about a difference that's severe enough to justify segregation). but hey, i wouldn't be surprised if there were a subtle difference

Why are feminists so opposed to the idea that the lovees are different? Humans are a loveually dimorphic species, which is loving obvious and has been proven time and time again. We think differently, we act differently, we learn differently, we like different things... Is that a problem? No.

[beachbum111111]

Honestly what the forget has Anita done that's important? She has bitched about lego and Video Games and pissed away donated money. Why are these forgettards still listening to her when she has done nothing for feminism?