Windows 7 vs Windows 10

[The Murderous Cop]

Honestly in the privacy regard, apple is better than Microsoft. I've read their privacy policy, nothing of the sort that Microsoft has in it.

isn't apple similar to linux?
actually almost exactly like linux?
(same terminal, same install files (.deb), near same compatibility)

if i'm wrong please correct me

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[Nal]

actually almost exactly like linux?
(same terminal, same install files (.deb), near same compatibility)

if i'm wrong please correct me

mac is on a unix base and doesn't have a package manager, also really locked down compared to linux

[Trymos]

Because large corporations have your interests at heart. Right.

Except no. Allowing companies to implement this to the point where it becomes a socially acceptable thing is not ok. No matter how much of an upstanding company Microsoft is doesn't change the fact that the world continues to change and with that peoples values. Microsoft is run and controlled by people and there are no excuses to leaving a heaping pile of temptation because "There is no reason to abuse it."

This is why it should remain encrypted and only allow the government to see it which is likely what they do.

First of all, if their is something financial to be gained, someone is going to gain it.

Second part with your logic is a catch 22 because not using windows or talking bad about it makes you like a suspicious person trying to hide something. The alternative is that you play fat, dumb, happy, take everything for granted, and just assume everything will be fine and that approach fails all the time throughout history. Remember the Titanic? It was supposed to be unsinkable. Remember the first world war? It was supposed be over by Christmas. Remember world war 2? Peace in our time had been achieved. Remember Vietnam? It was only supposed to be a limited conflict. Remember Watergate? Elected officials are responsible people we should trust. Remember The Soviet Afghan war? Training religious crazies wont turn on us. Remember the Invasion of Iraq? We supposed to be find WMDs. Remember Afghanistan? We weren't nation building, Bin Laden hiding wasn't in Pakistan. The thing is that people make promises and guarantees, however there is no force to actually ensure that those things are always guaranteed. That force usually comes from a small group of concerned people who are brushed aside because they were thought to been worrying too much.

Sure this stuff has been going on with Windows for a long time, but there will also be people like Ipquarx, Taya, me who will be concerned about our right and our security.

What financially is there to be gained? I don't understand that argument at all.

And I'm not making it out like you're a suspicious person if you're not using windows or talking bad about it. Stop making stuff up about me.
Also, you're talking about a lot of things that are far more severe and far more LIKELY then microsofts servers getting hacked.

Honestly in the privacy regard, apple is better than Microsoft. I've read their privacy policy, nothing of the sort that Microsoft has in it.

This is something i have to bring up: Remember the iphone NSA thing? That's essentially the same thing Microsoft is doing, why aren't we attacking Apple for not keeping our privacy?

[Nonnel]

i'm concerned about privacy
but also 10 is way better than 7

[The Murderous Cop]

mac is on a unix base and doesn't have a package manager, also really locked down compared to linux

UNIX part: wow I know I should have said that instead
package manager: it doesn't by default, isn't it installable though
locked down: ooof course

[SpongeCraft1212]

jesus christ if you people really want me to i won't upgrade to windows 7 okay

[The Murderous Cop]

Remember the iphone NSA thing? That's essentially the same thing Microsoft is doing, why aren't we attacking Apple for not keeping our privacy?

Because Apple has a much smaller userbase
Windows on the other hand has a way larger one, and involves business operations

[Ipquarx]

This is why it should remain encrypted and only allow the government to see it which is likely what they do.
What financially is there to be gained? I don't understand that argument at all.
This is something i have to bring up: Remember the iphone NSA thing? That's essentially the same thing Microsoft is doing, why aren't we attacking Apple for not keeping our privacy?

The government doesn't necessarily have your best interests at heart either, see: NSA
There's lots to financially gain because not only do they say they will access and store it, but they also say they can disclose it, which can include selling. Data mining companies could pay microsoft a big fee and get tons of personal information about people. But that's an argument for a different day.
Apple actually did something really nice: They allowed you to fully encrypt your device without sending the key back to apple. Even the police and government can't crack it if you use a strong password. That's the main reason why people aren't going after them.

Normally I hate Apple. This time they're actually doing something right, go figure.

[Trymos]

Because Apple has a much smaller userbase
Windows on the other hand has a way larger one, and involves business operations

iphone

Smartphones are huge, please read the post.

The government doesn't necessarily have your best interests at heart either, see: NSA
There's lots to financially gain because not only do they say they will access and store it, but they also say they can disclose it, which can include selling. Data mining companies could pay microsoft a big fee and get tons of personal information about people. But that's an argument for a different day.
Apple actually did something really nice: They allowed you to fully encrypt your device without sending the key back to apple. Even the police and government can't crack it if you use a strong password. That's the main reason why people aren't going after them.

Normally I hate Apple. This time they're actually doing something right, go figure.

And what is the NSA doing that's so bad? You never actually followed up on this.

They also never said anything about disclosing it either.
And trust me, the government can decrypt your device or get the key via the said NSA backdoor. Has it ever actually been proven that they can't? Again, Apple still had an intentional NSA backdoor and you still wont attack them because...

...Your encryption key didn't get sent to apple???

[Tayasaurus]

Has it ever actually been proven that they can't?

This is one of the biggest reasons anyone actually argues about privacy issues in my eyes.

[Harm94]

What financially is there to be gained?

Blueprints, key logged debit card and credit card numbers, records, documents.  Contracted thieves are also a thing. Businesses paying people to steal from other competitors.

We also live in age where any fool can make and rig up a bug that can be planted into an ATM machine or card reader.

[Trymos]

Blueprints, key logged debit card and credit card numbers, records, documents.  Contracted thieves are also a thing. Businesses paying people to steal from other competitors.

We also live in age where any fool can make and rig up a bug that can be planted into an ATM machine or card reader.

If this information is only allowed to be given to the government then this is a non issue, which is exactly what's happening.

[Planr]

windows 7 because it doesnt have a bunch of huge backdoors and subscription-to-use crap in it like windows 10 does

[Nonnel]

windows 7 because it doesnt have a bunch of huge backdoors

well

[Tayasaurus]

windows 7 because it doesnt have a bunch of huge backdoors

Ehhhhhh