Donald Dump 2K16

[shitlord]

Or we could legalize drugs

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[Harm94]

Or we could legalize drugs

You still have the government corruption and wage slavery. Again, sweeping the problem under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist.

[Ceist]

If Annoying Orange got his way, relations between the US and Mexico would be incredibly strained.

Trying to fix the problems with the cartels extend far beyond Mexico. Central America and South America are afflicted by them as well. Trying to solve the problem inside Mexico would just be trimming the hedges of a larger, nastier, rotting bush. The Cartels are legitimate terror organizations that base their ideologies and rules around money and control. Trying to exterminate them is like trying to exterminate the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

I don't see how it even remotely is. He intends to come down hard on Mexico, which I really like. Mexico and China have both been pulling serious strings with us for a long time, influencing our companies so they outsource (weakening our economic position, as Harm pointed out earlier in this thread), and taking millions of our jobs, which instead now belong to illegal immigrants and to the huge population of China (nothing wrong with immigrants or the Chinese having jobs; just not ones that are rightfully ours). These countries are economic parasites on us and they are slowly killing our workforce and our economy.

You're ignorance once again amazes me. US companies largely influence Mexico and China. Not the other way around; it saves the companies millions or billions of dollars to outsource to foreign third-world countries.

I would write out a huge paragraph telling Plant why he's wrong, but I'm too tired. Ask me again later.

[Zharthon]

If Annoying Orange got his way, relations between the US and Mexico would be incredibly strained.

very rare pepe do not steal.

[Dionysusan]

If Annoying Orange got his way, relations between the US and Mexico would be incredibly strained.

better than having the scum of their country invade our glorious motherland

[Swat 3]

Everybody should be taxed the same percent. 99.9% of the time those people in the top 1% worked hard to get there. They deserve what they've earned.

Also, Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15, which will hurt the economy much more than it will help it. A $15 minimum wage will severely hurt the small businesses in the US which are incredibly import to the economy.

Everyone shouldn't be taxed the same percentage, because that is dumb af. If everyone is taxed the same, that means the poor and middle class will be taxed more than they are now and the rich will actually be taxed less. I'm assuming you are upper-middle class, too.
TBH, the thing that really needs to be taxed more are capital gains. They are practically are not taxed(?).

And no, not really, the people at the top need to be taxed more because they have most of the wealth in the country. They have the money to do tax loopholes and it isn't fair for the rest of us.

I don't think you understand economics. When you raise minimum wage, you don't dump it from 8 to 15 in a day. You do it gradually over the years. Switzerland has a high minimum wage, nearly CHF 20, which is around the same as the USD.
Well, small country and traditionally better well-off, but y'know.

But yes, I actually don't really like raising the minimum wage from 8 to 15 because 15 dollars for someone flipping burgers isn't very... fair? I don't know. But 8 dollars an hour where most companies make you work part time, so you don't get benefits, is not liveable.

[Foxscotch]

15 dollars for someone flipping burgers isn't very... fair?

why not?

[Harm94]

Everyone shouldn't be taxed the same percentage, because that is dumb af. If everyone is taxed the same, that means the poor and middle class will be taxed more than they are now and the rich will actually be taxed less. I'm assuming you are upper-middle class, too.
TBH, the thing that really needs to be taxed more are capital gains. They are practically are not taxed(?).

And no, not really, the people at the top need to be taxed more because they have most of the wealth in the country. They have the money to do tax loopholes and it isn't fair for the rest of us.

I don't think you understand economics. When you raise minimum wage, you don't dump it from 8 to 15 in a day. You do it gradually over the years. Switzerland has a high minimum wage, nearly CHF 20, which is around the same as the USD.
Well, small country and traditionally better well-off, but y'know.

But yes, I actually don't really like raising the minimum wage from 8 to 15 because 15 dollars for someone flipping burgers isn't very... fair? I don't know. But 8 dollars an hour where most companies make you work part time, so you don't get benefits, is not liveable.

Companies will find a way to complain. However the current wages are barely livable. Can't really save them up and go to school, can't save them up to build up your wealth. Plus we have police, firemen, emts, etc with crap wages who can barely keep their families afloat plus they have have a higher job hazard.

[Ragequit]

tax the churches

[Alyx Vance]

why not?

Pretty sure paramedics get paid less than that? Why should people who can't get a real job be given more money?

[Planr]

You're ignorance once again amazes me. US companies largely influence Mexico and China. Not the other way around; it saves the companies millions or billions of dollars to outsource to foreign third-world countries.

I would write out a huge paragraph telling Plant why he's wrong, but I'm too tired. Ask me again later.

Exactly what am I being ignorant of? Ad-hominem attacks don't work well btw.

I've bolded in your quote exactly what the problem is facing the US economy. Like I said, countries like Mexico and China are very cunning. They know how to get our companies - that we rely on for a healthy and strong economy - to leave and do their business from their places instead. They drastically lower the costs against those companies - by having really low taxes, or no wage standards, or extremely cheap land values - so that they will want to leave the United States and move to those countries. That kind of outsourcing only bolsters China and Mexico's standing economic position in comparison to our own.

Granted, it's not entirely Mexico or China's fault that the companies choose to outsource. Our nation's got a serious problem going on with socialism making business difficult for everyone (a ridiculous amount of government regulations). Many regulations we have are necessary and for the common good (such as sanitation and workplace safety standards), but every added regulation that a company based in the US has to follow means higher operating costs for them, and meanwhile those third-world countries - with virtually no such restrictions in comparison to the US - start looking pretty tempting. So, the company eventually leaves, and we end up losing the jobs that company created for us, along with the resulting revenue that it created for us. And then those laid-off workers - in a mix of both - get other jobs or end up living on government assistance (costing everyone else in the US more).

Companies will find a way to complain. However the current wages are barely livable. Can't really save them up and go to school, can't save them up to build up your wealth. Plus we have police, firemen, emts, etc with crap wages who can barely keep their families afloat plus they have have a higher job hazard.

This is SO true. Cops and emergency personnel work really hard and IMO they don't get paid nearly enough. I wonder if there is some sort of economic math equation out there that can be used to help determine what someone ought to be paid taking into account all important factors, but with risk of death on the job as one of the highest factors in the equation.

Human life is most important above all else. High risk jobs such as cleaning skyscraper windows or police duty ought to be worth a lot more than they are now. It is good however for the sake of Human safety that we are developing robots to do such dangerous jobs like cleaning Skyscraper windows.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Why should people who can't get a real job be given more money?

Because nobody should have to work 60 hour weeks to get by

the minimum wage hasn't really been adjusted to meet inflation rates

Believe it or not, retail jobs are actually "real jobs" and people who work at retail jobs deserve minimum compensation. $8/hr is stuff pay.

[Ceist]

Exactly what am I being ignorant of? Ad-hominem attacks don't work well btw.

I've bolded in your quote exactly what the problem is facing the US economy. Like I said, countries like Mexico and China are very cunning. They know how to get our companies - that we rely on for a healthy and strong economy - to leave and do their business from their places instead. They drastically lower the costs against those companies - by having really low taxes, or no wage standards, or extremely cheap land values - so that they will want to leave the United States and move to those countries. That kind of outsourcing only bolsters China and Mexico's standing economic position in comparison to our own.

Granted, it's not entirely Mexico or China's fault that the companies choose to outsource. Our nation's got a serious problem going on with socialism making business difficult for everyone (a ridiculous amount of government regulations). Many regulations we have are necessary and for the common good (such as sanitation and workplace safety standards), but every added regulation that a company based in the US has to follow means higher operating costs for them, and meanwhile those third-world countries - with virtually no such restrictions in comparison to the US - start looking pretty tempting. So, the company eventually leaves, and we end up losing the jobs that company created for us, along with the resulting revenue that it created for us. And then those laid-off workers - in a mix of both - get other jobs or end up living on government assistance (costing everyone else in the US more).

What I said was not Ad-Hominem, this just proves me right.

Your first paragraph is mostly true so I don't see why you used that in counter to what I said. I'll tell you what's not correct in that first paragraph. Places like Mexico and China do not hold their land, taxes, and low-wage standards for richer countries with good economic standings. They will service those to anyone with money, even their own country-men. Even the US has some similarities. Our land is fairly cheap. Low-taxes and low-wages aren't possible in the US though, unless you plan on running illegally. I bolded service because that is what the US and Mexico are. We're both service economies whereas China is an industrialist economy, slowly on its way to becoming a service economy. China is technically not stealing any jobs, based on what you believe. I wouldn't worry about jobs being taken either, everyone has a chance no matter what you're told. There's jobs everywhere, even the stufftiest of jobs are available.

Tell me what government regulations you feel are unnecessary. That entire paragraph really sounds like you're saying we should remove rules and regulations from companies so more illegal immigrants stop coming here to work them. If that's the case, that is bad, and you should feel bad.

[Alyx Vance]

Because nobody should have to work 60 hour weeks to get by

the minimum wage hasn't really been adjusted to meet inflation rates

Believe it or not, retail jobs are actually "real jobs" and people who work at retail jobs deserve minimum compensation. $8/hr is stuff pay.

My bad, I didn't meant to say 'real job' in that sense. I meant a job that's meant to support a family.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't raising the minimum wage just cause more inflation?

[Nonnel]

Also correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't raising the minimum wage just cause more inflation?

Indirectly, but probably
Minimum wage would increase prices so the gubment would probably try to fix the difference by printing even more