war on the middle east

[SeventhSandwich]

Bill Maher is a liberal who hates progressives

Must be masochism then, since he's definitely progressive.

I'm saying that it's rare that some of the people who say or act like they do actually do. I'm not saying there isn't anyone who genuinely doesn't.

So how does any of that affect the validity of their persecution? If people are shedding crocodile tears for Muslims, does that mean that they aren't being persecuted? Or that they definitely are? Where's the relevance?

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[Col. Derontchi]

Must be masochism then, since he's definitely progressive.
So how does any of that affect the validity of their persecution? If people are shedding crocodile tears for Muslims, does that mean that they aren't being persecuted? Or that they definitely are? Where's the relevance?

You can be liberal without being a progressive. The two are independent titles.
I already acknowledged and gave you proof of my acknowledgement that muslims are persecuted to some degree. Regardless, the point is not whether or not they are persecuted, but that the progressives don't genuinely care.

[SeventhSandwich]

You can be liberal without being a progressive. The two are independent titles.

I know that. However, he's a progressive. His social and political views are progressive. What part of his philosophy doesn't seem progressive to you?

Regardless, the point is not whether or not they are persecuted, but that the progressives don't genuinely care.

Based on what evidence? Are you claiming that all progressives don't care? Or more than 50% don't care? Or what? Is there an actual argument in this, or are you just making sweeping generalizations for fun?

[Col. Derontchi]

I know that. However, he's a progressive. His social and political views are progressive. What part of his philosophy doesn't seem progressive to you?

I will admit I have not seen much of him, but he just does not seem "progressive" to me. Or at least wholly progressive.

Based on what evidence? Are you claiming that all progressives don't care? Or more than 50% don't care? Or what? Is there an actual argument in this, or are you just making sweeping generalizations for fun?

Please read back a couple of pages. I literally said that I do not think all progressives are this way twice.

[Col. Derontchi]

Progressives. I mean progressives. Let me just clear it up now that I don't believe each progressive person is this way. It just happens to be progressives that do this. Also typically atheist, which I will explain in a second. My personal theory is that they defend them because the right-wing media demonizes them, but that's really the only reason. They have become "persecuted" even though I think the general majority of people do not reflect the mindset of the right. They do not actually care about muslims, they care about persecuted minorities. My "evidence" for this is that (here's where the atheism part comes into play) I have seen the same person wish similar things upon Christians to the person that they lashed out at for saying about Muslims.

I cannot stress enough that I do not think it is a majority of progressives that think this way, nor atheists, nor right-wingers. I do not wish to start any kind of religious debate, only that of my words if necessary.

[SeventhSandwich]

I will admit I have not seen much of him, but he just does not seem "progressive" to me. Or at least wholly progressive.

From his lede on Wikipedia:

"Maher supports the legalization of cannabis and same-love marriage. His critical views of religion were the basis for the 2008 documentary film Religulous. He is a supporter of animal rights, having served on the board of PETA since 1997,[4] and is an advisory board member of Project Reason"

Does this sound like a social conservative to you?

I literally said that I do not think all progressives are this way twice.

Your writing is weakened by your overuse of hyperbole. When you write something like: "The progressives don't genuinely care," you're implying that all, or at least the vast majority of progressives think that way.

[Col. Derontchi]

From his lede on Wikipedia:

"Maher supports the legalization of cannabis and same-love marriage. His critical views of religion were the basis for the 2008 documentary film Religulous. He is a supporter of animal rights, having served on the board of PETA since 1997,[4] and is an advisory board member of Project Reason"

Does this sound like a social conservative to you?

Conservative is not always the opposite of progressive. Progressive is not always the same thing as liberal. Sure, they can overlap, but they are not mutually connected. Here's a great example of what I am talking about.

Your writing is weakened by your overuse of hyperbole. When you write something like: "The progressives don't genuinely care," you're implying that all, or at least the vast majority of progressives think that way.

"The progressives" as in "the progressives I'm referring to." Like I said, it is only progressives behaving this way.

[SeventhSandwich]

Conservative is not always the opposite of progressive. Progressive is not always the same thing as liberal. Sure, they can overlap, but they are not mutually connected.

That's true, but Bill Maher is not a centrist either. Ripping on some liberals doesn't make him any less progressive. John Oliver and John Stewart have ripped on liberals/progressives dozens of times, but would you call them staunch centrists or conservatives?

The progressives" as in "the progressives I'm referring to." Like I said, it is only progressives behaving this way.

Do you have any evidence that there are absolutely no conservatives who think that way either?

[Col. Derontchi]

That's true, but Bill Maher is not a centrist either. Ripping on some liberals doesn't make him any less progressive. John Oliver and John Stewart have ripped on liberals/progressives dozens of times, but would you call them staunch centrists or conservatives?
Do you have any evidence that there are absolutely no conservatives who think that way either?

Your mistake is that you use liberals and progressives individually. Liberal is more of a mindset, progressive is more of a set of rules or an agenda. He is ripping on progressives specifically.

And yes, I'm quite sure.

[SeventhSandwich]

Your mistake is that you use liberals and progressives individually.

Weren't you just correcting me for conflating the two?

And yes, I'm quite sure.

Evidence?

[kanew2000]

pull support from israel. the palestinians have a right to that land until the un forgeted it up for them, and were just making local nations hate us more by assisting israel in kicking them out.

[SWAT One]

Remnants of the Cold War.  Russia is trying to get a foothold there and our influence is there to halt it.  Looking forward to the time when Russia doesn't have someone like Putin at its helm.

[Spaceguy]

When hasn't there been a war over there?

[Mr.Noßody]

The Middle East has been in a war since forever and it's always about religion and nothing else.
If it wasn't for the oil, the Middle East would have killed itself off long ago.

[Epicduke]

The Middle East has been in a war since forever and it's always about religion and nothing else.
If it wasn't for the oil, the Middle East would have killed itself off long ago.

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